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asciilifeform: that is, the differing files are followed by another ?
decimation: no, but you could antimate a node, peer with it, force it to shit out
mod6: huh, now i have one chain that has 2 that match and one that differs: f7ab989febce649e49f8373f1c5a5fbd44008dd21eaf16ce0d1b73e1070421f0 blk0008.dat && b1d0da3ff6b2b2d6da096f06cf7359ca98e08490ab61202f94468587f51aaee5 blk0008.dat ☟︎
asciilifeform: notice that there is no mechanism in bitcoind for ~erasing~ anything from the raw block files.
decimation: gonna have to 'reingest' them to sort them out
asciilifeform: but any subsequent sync against his node is expected to match the canonicals.
decimation: yeah that's true
asciilifeform: if his blk** are ~original~ - as in, they were formed ~as the blocks happened~ - they can contain orphaned (in the traditional sense) blocks ☟︎
asciilifeform: now my current understanding is that mircea_popescu has an excuse:
decimation: I'm afraid it's gonna take going over with a fine-tooth comb
mod6: mine were sync'd with some pre-v0.5.3.1-RELEASE [ v0.5.3 + some patches ], sync'd the old way from irc.
decimation: ^ mine match them all
mod6: yeah, i don't have any of those.
asciilifeform: ^ not a single one of these lines up with mircea_popescu's
mod6: lol, im now doing 5-16 on all three chains at the same time: 02:42:27 up 2 days, 3:32, 5 users, load average: 2.88, 1.48, 0.71
decimation: from that thread I mean
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decimation: blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat have the same size as this thread (at the bottom) https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reduced-final-state-blk0001-dat-with-pruned-index.59545/
mod6: all three of my chains from Jan-Mar 2015 have: 796f65be10ef2e5fc27b97b09f312c9f8ddd7d1c3ab0f27f356a5b1dbf5a8963 blk0002.dat
decimation: okay, that's good I guess
asciilifeform: ^ is the same on the ~original~ (that is, received on that night from mircea_popescu) copy
decimation: these were made with your thermonuke patch
asciilifeform: well, anomaly didn't happen in that one
asciilifeform: because ultimately it is the canonical blockchain.
decimation: what does he use the database for then? faster lookup?
decimation: yeah I was looking at that
decimation: lol he dumps to disk directly
asciilifeform: they have nothing to do with bdb and should not vary at all (once they reach full size, ~2GB) between nodes
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:26:24; ascii_field: these aren't bdb files!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1182036 << see thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: these aren't bdb though!
decimation: oh you mean the bdb files?
asciilifeform: blk0002 - a certain number, certainly smaller, after that
asciilifeform: but the blocks are starting to get fatter there
asciilifeform: if i replicate the anomaly, i will post the 'interesting' region
asciilifeform: it should not be difficult to find out, right now, if you have the same blockchain
decimation: pity, that's a big too large for a cutout dropbox account
asciilifeform: the dataset in question - blocks pulled from mircea_popescu's node on the night of june 28-29 - is ~5.5GB
asciilifeform: will, once i find a place to drop these where i'm not paying per byte
decimation: asciilifeform: do you have the complete blockdump file?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly. That is one beautiful machine fulfilling its destiny to do REAL work. Not this pansy shit 'Murican pickup trucks do.
asciilifeform: phf: why these were absent from the original bitcoin is still an enigma to me
phf: right, eatblock/dumpblock lets you construct any arbitrary correct chain, block by block, including the known blockchain, in a fully deterministic way. seem like important building blocks of proper engineering.
asciilifeform is trying and failing to think of a benign explanation for the anomaly
asciilifeform: in the 'longest chain' sense
asciilifeform: i set it up earlier today and mostly forgot about it
asciilifeform: it did not even occur to me that the 'eater' might barf
asciilifeform: original purpose of this experiment was to gather 'pmap -XX <pid>' stats for plotting
asciilifeform: one might naively imagine that obvious bugs cirta '12 will not turn up today
asciilifeform: phf: it is difficult to rule anything out at this point
asciilifeform: (checksum spoken of earlier agrees with every copy of blk0001 i've been able to locate, other than the one cited by mircea_popescu)
asciilifeform: the only thing i'm pretty sure of at this point is that nothing peculiar happened - at least on this machine - through block 188529.
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:12:49; ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181921 << the experiment in question, for anyone who missed ☝︎
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear << We've outgrown everything but Z80+ECC and somehow that is too slow
asciilifeform: and this is just about my copy, not even starting with mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: 'is it my instruments? lsd in the water?'
asciilifeform has the same ill feeling an astronomer might have were 'seti' signal to appear
asciilifeform has not verified the latter
trinque: BingoBoingo: I thought it was gonna be somebody being face-sat
mod6: i have 3 full-sync'd chains from between January and March, all have the same blk0001.dat hash: sha256sum blk0001.dat \ 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a blk0001.dat ☟︎
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asciilifeform: if anyone can remember what blocks fit in there, please post
asciilifeform: sha256(blk0001.dat) for this run: 7aac5826b91b4f87a2e9534e0e38e8d64ed21aff8a4eb8ff8dde4e726e67fe1a
asciilifeform: it'll be hilarious if we're hitting the limits of non-ecc ram or the like
asciilifeform: on the output of the present 'eat'
asciilifeform: will run those again also
mod6: will this have any impact on the hashes that are posted here? http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz
asciilifeform: the best-case scenario is that this is a 'cosmic ray'
asciilifeform: presently running the entire experiment again, to verify
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:01:39; ascii_field: for what it's worth, all the blocks i got from mircea_popescu are successfully eaten by my 0.5.4
asciilifeform: some time near after 208000, a block is rejected!
asciilifeform: so it turns out that i spoke too soon:
shinohai: That same tired argument has echoed from every supporter of PoS for as long as I can remember.
decimation: and the care, feeding, coddling thereof
decimation: ^ plus all the bureaucrats who work for visa/banks/usg to 'oversee' the system
trinque: you have to count every payment processor in the whole byzantine credit card system if you're going to play that game
trinque: "That makes Bitcoin about 5,033 times more energy intensive, per transaction, than VISA" << what a crock of shit
cazalla: needs more coloured hair, piercings, tats, triple chins and no dress sense
cazalla: that pic isn't really a fair representation of the problematic hambeasts
BingoBoingo: ^ Free to be Liberia
shinohai: I'll bet r/bitcoin had that CNN feed up praying that it triggers mass Greek adoption.
mats: we'll leave it to twitter to decide wut is wut
cazalla: and anyway, people in this channel make gigaaggressions
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trinque commits microaggression against the differently-hygiened
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 19:33:05; mircea_popescu: in even further news, overheard in the street like an hour ago : "mommy, mommy! is it a good sign when your fanny itches ?"
shinohai: The only issue I had was importing private keys, but I solved that.
BingoBoingo hoping I don't have to make a bunch of patches to the RPC for this to work
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Was recently gifted second laptop. Single core AMD 64bit atom-like processor. Testing stator 0.5.4 build, once sync'd will likely dick around with electrum server against a foundation build with aim of eventually setting up a dedi-box
shinohai: @ BingoBoingo I have been able to run it against termcoin, which I don't recommend as a real wallet.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Ah. If you try again let me know what they errors were like. Still prolly have a month or so before craptop finishes sync
shinohai: Heaven't tried in a while though. I was drunk.
trinque: CheckDavid: pm someone voiced when that happens
CheckDavid: when I want to talk here I never manage to get voice lol
BingoBoingo: Anyone try running electrum-server yet against Foundation 0.5.3.1 or later build? Once stator on craptop syncs on craptop I plan on seeing if they get along
trinque: where you're looking through a tiny window at some scrollable thing
trinque: I tend to call that periscope UI
trinque: ah that's cool
mats: found it just in time for my education