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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it didn't make sense.
asciilifeform: though i don't know why he had to go for the condensate, ordinary water behaves in quite the same way
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
mircea_popescu: i knew gmaxwell wasn't intelligent enough to come up with that stupid shit on his own.
mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can't be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/330710-politics-america-hate-intolerance/ >> "In these times, the ‘little guy’ cannot afford to pay rent on the trailer home, not to mention a bottle of brew. The ‘little guy’ now possesses a large amount of anger about the political system that doesn't work for him, which shouldn’t be surprising since he repeatedly voted against his own interests during the republican tenure. Or, on the other
ben_vulpes: ah wait no that wasn't ak47.sh
ben_vulpes: dunno man i don't actually think it's of much value. having actual humans in the actual wot build things is much more important.
ben_vulpes: this was god i don't know how many months ago
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn't clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing.
punkman: why I kept saying that I don't like release patches that touch *everything* ☟︎
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390063 sure, if I can get low-power machine with ECC, I probably wouldn't mind the slower cores for most uses. These looked kinda neat http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=618 ☝︎
pete_dushenski has not tried, say, gentoo on xeon mac, can't confirm
asciilifeform: their board isn't even SOLD with ANYTHING but coreboot (linuxbios)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1390743 << i ain't keeping locally anything that won't push ~5000x5000 pixels ☝︎
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: didn't some usgmegacorp try something similar recently only to have it backfire spectacularly ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ? << this is probably a better. and its not even in the mirror at this point anyway.
BingoBoingo: "The fun doesn't stop at just watching the Puppy Bowl, though. Like in all sports now, fantasy Puppy Bowl is huge, and you can go to Animal Planet's website to draft your fantasy Puppy Bowl squad. You pick three dogs to go up against your friends. There's a scorecard and everything. I went on and drafted my team, and I think I have a strong chance to come out on top in Puppy Bowl fantasy. I mean, just look at this lineup. Bijoux,
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why anyone'd keep locally a box they don't actually use to play games on, but hey.
mircea_popescu: wait shouldn't shiva 2 be restated instead ?
asciilifeform: i'ma try & figure out why the version set thing doesn't go
mircea_popescu: we weren't smart back then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and polarbeard would much prefer large patches. you don't get what you prefer.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: isn't tmsr also what most every organisation everywhere since ever aspired to be ?
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> ver 99999 is fine by me << yeah, this is fine. but the fact that it doesn't do what it should do isn't. i'll pull the patch tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah but he wouldn't be familiar with that.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style << actually, best estimate i can get puts TMSR GDP growth for 2015 somewhere around 450-500%. that's not 4.5-5%. it's not 45-50% either. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: mod6: in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked? << hm. has anyone actually used 'version-strings' in praxis ? seems like several failed attempts now.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's sorta incredible that the fiatists who need infinite growth all want to cut their own throats with reduced consumption while tmsr~, who doesn't want anything to do with infinite growth, is buying and consuming like it's going out of style
mod6: in other news, i can't seem to get -setvernum to work either? or how can I tell that it worked?
mod6: unreal isn't it
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> so unless bitbet is now drafting and seeding their own proposals... << this isn't even new.
pete_dushenski: why teddy can't just frame his position as "e30 is even LESS efficient which is good for both corn and oil producers" is anyone's guess. trump owns honesty, apparently.
mircea_popescu: going too fast here isn't gonna help anyone.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time. << yeah, agreed, Sir.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense mod6 it has my imprimatur that bothering to grok it isn't a waste of your finite time.
mod6: you don't ~need~ to run the init command at all
mod6: there suprisingly isn't ~that~ much code.
ascii_rear: we can't actually use a scheme that lacks these.
mod6: oh, ok. was that ever repaired? or isn't updated? i thought I saw the guys comment on his website that said "until i'm dead" or something?
mod6: for sure, just like you wouldn't want to expose your rpc port to 0.0.0.0
mod6: <+ascii_rear> mod6: see anything that doesn't make sense ? << not yet. was just poking through how you load this thing up (in src/shiva.h|.cpp) - also looking at how to define more operations
mircea_popescu: also won't matter.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of config setups : 1. pick a list of TRB nodes ; 2. add to ifconfig, deny all others ; 3. plug eth cable, congrats, you now have a secure box. go ahead install all the toolbar spyware you care to, won't matter.
ascii_rear: mod6: see anything that doesn't make sense ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: cd's aren't magic, but a cd press might serve a useful purpose for distributing samizdat that lasts.
mircea_popescu: fuck i don't even know what anything's called.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell trinque i may be exceptionally retarded today, but is there a reason why shit/Manifest.sha256 doesn't contain a hash for buildroot?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah. he also screams about how dumb usg is, hasn't yet moved away.
mircea_popescu: not like if trb.buildroot pops up tomorrow i wouldn't at least consider it.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390077 << this is a bad idea inasmuch as it leaves my build process stranded, so i'll be stuck forever using current v and i suppose forever pressing 9996 then ? << yeah, i read your comments earlier on this. part of "battle-ready" to me means not only that it has lordship blessing, but it doesn't break any security paradigms that we m ☝︎
shinohai: That script is like cliff notes, I couldn't live without yet.
mod6: yeah, cause if you don't run the script, then you need to set up everything, including the rotor, buildroot & copying around the config, and tons of other stuff.
mircea_popescu: mod6 well on the theory he didn't want to run the script.
mod6: i actually think if you follow the steps in the wiki, jurov is incorrect, you don't need to know anything about V. or download it seperately, or anything. the script does it all for you.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1390098 << it's altogether unclear to me how it isn't battle ready. ☝︎
mod6: so in reality, no you don't need V or anything. i think if you just follow dpb's wiki steps it's all good.
jurov: and search.b-a won't find anything immediately useful
mod6: yeah, we got a bunch of files that differ. but i might have built something that you haven't.
mod6: ok do i understand this right? (i haven't done this since before the re-bake of tinyscheme)
asciilifeform: it is germane if it illuminates the hypothesis of 'can't quietly flip a bit on this'
asciilifeform: it has good thermal conductivity. i can't make so much as a dent in aluminum foil with 40W co2 tube.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they aren't simply 'different sized holes', there is reed-solomon encoding
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the value of maintaining the cd as a thing in the world. it can go the way of the celuloid film afaic.
asciilifeform: build machine doesn't.
asciilifeform: let's put it this way, that bdb tarball ain't ever chaning
mircea_popescu: but don't expect me to go to paris every time i'm about to fit tits for corsets.
mircea_popescu: now, mind, i don't think it's wrong to have a cast cd of the thing, just like i don't think it's wrong to have an iridium idol of the "meter" somewhere in france
asciilifeform: wasn't speaking of the ~run~ box
asciilifeform: it isn't brilliant or sexy, but it is necessary.
mircea_popescu: looky : your design whereby a better water piping system consists of introducing a one foot gap somewhere so people can be employed to run the water across in buckets isn't as brilliant as it seems.
mod6: i just haven't focused on that part as much for obv reasons.
asciilifeform: phf: now, instead of the multiple arrows, which really don't convey any useful info, it would be interesting to vary the ~thickness~ of the lines based on the 'weight' of the change.
jurov: and i don't have anything to say about non-nato computers3
asciilifeform: and yes, this means arm doesn't cut it even if somehow 500x faster.
mod6: it doens't take long to pass that spot anyway.
mod6: someone asked me why I don't create vpatches of the changes to V.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if the dependencies will EVER change !
asciilifeform: i don't need or want the www loading stuff for anything.
mod6: but, i typically don't hack straight on the built trb, ususally on a separate branch.
mod6: i just re-read what I typed there (sorry, just woke up, slept like the dead), and i don't mean to make it sound like a single line, even if sometimes it is! i just make the changes i need, the most minimal changes possible, then drop 'em in and see.
asciilifeform: and don't have the problem
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the plan's very simple, go to large nat'l retailer, load half a dozen disks, when the cashier refuses to sell them sucker punch him, get the police report to say he wouldn't sell you the drives, pay the whatever it is to have punched a dude and settle for whatever coupla mil they're willing to pay to avoid discovery.
mircea_popescu: i don't live there nor have i yet run into the problem.
mircea_popescu: and even the current state of the art spindle drives... they won't last for ever. that'll be an interesting bitcoin-fs application
mircea_popescu: now i can't even buy SSDs - admitting i somehow wanted to - because lol what, sub tb space ?!
asciilifeform: i don't recall anybody (other than that lukejr fella) crying when s.dice was doing this.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking thing's driven by china and they don't even have to do anything.
mircea_popescu: notice incidentally how isis isn't making a single move in THAT direction.
punkman: they wouldn't really sell a lot of bootleg-intels. shit ARM copy does power the megatons of phones though.
mircea_popescu: "i always found it interesting turks can not only not design own greek fire, but can't even produce shit copy!"
asciilifeform: these aren't minerals in the usual sense.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller idiots actually moved to 100% discussing what i say, STILL can't fucking say my name ?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 01:11:50; mod6: it doesn't scale obviously for everyone to have these issues. for my own sanity, we need to make it so that a guy just basically does one thing and then it builds.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2016 23:10:49; mircea_popescu: ie, infantile delusions of sovereignity through "privacy". this doesn't work. sovereignity behaves publicly and with impunity. that is the fucking point.
punkman: I don't think "guy that doesn't know much" doing "curl deedbot.com/build.sh | sh" is great either
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 01:34:33; punkman: mod6: my goal is that someone who doesn't really know much << wouldn't this guy be better off downloading a signed binary?
mod6: lol, ive actually worked at a lot of places. it's totally different. people go there to get paid so they can continue buying shit they don't need and eating food that isn't food.
shinohai: If you don't care about Bitcoin, you shouldn't be here.
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2016 01:15:55; mod6: if you have .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf -- then you shouldn't need to use the flag: -conf