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mod6: <+asciilifeform> did you make it directly from my 2 patches (old + new) ? << no didn'
t even try that yet. just went straight into integration of both into one. kinda got side tracked with the SoBA and then watched some xfiles. heheh.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> IT BUILDS FINE HERE << huh, maybe i didn'
t clean?? i'll try again.
ben_vulpes: i don'
t know anything about the topic!
ben_vulpes: those curly horns don'
t look too fun, but whaddoiknow
mircea_popescu: generally from what i've understood, the default behaviour was production (1st above), whereas people these days decided they'd like to see development (2nd above). i also don'
t take umbrage with this.
ben_vulpes: sure, and i don'
t take much umbrage at this.
mircea_popescu: <felipelalli> mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn'
t that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key? << how is a bitfield in the gpg key help you in case you die ? or lose control of the key ? neither of these are time-able events.
ben_vulpes: felipelalli: mpex doesn'
t respect key expiration extension.
felipelalli: trinque, no I was talking about deedbot-. The bot didn'
t accept my renewed key.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, I know that you think expire a key is a bad idea. I saw you saying that in MPEx FAQ. But why? Could you elaborate more about that? Isn'
t that useful in case someone dies or lost the control over the key?
assbot: I don'
t give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
mircea_popescu: phf the truth is that it'd be great if there was a way for reader to select what text he's referencing. but if it can'
t be made to work then we can'
t really use it.
mircea_popescu: "riously, so the girl won'
t fuck because she figures you don'
t value her if she" << on my system
mod6: oh, it does, sometimes if it's been referenced before in the document, i don'
t re-reference it.
mircea_popescu: so then "the email to the mailing list" symbol shouldn'
t have a reference ?
mod6: "Hier lies mod6, couldn'
t spell."
mircea_popescu: the first is a mere spelling error. the second, shoul;dn'
t there be a [R]eference to the email ?
ben_vulpes: don'
t even add up to a whole computer over the year.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you think i don'
t know this?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn'
t figure into the question. << Someone malleating to high-s is why power derps started malleating to low-s
ben_vulpes: but there's no actual reason why they couldn'
t mine high-s transactions, adherence to party line aside.
mircea_popescu: if you include the tx, you get the fee. if you don'
t include it, for any reason, you don'
t get the fee.
mircea_popescu: in what sense ? paper will carry anything. the social practice of throwing curves won'
t. etc.
ben_vulpes: in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn'
t figure into the question.
phf: fwiw stock selection magic doesn'
t work out of the box on safari
felipelalli: kakobrekla, do you have an idea why deedbot- didn'
t accept my renewed key? thank you.
ascii_rear: but also don'
t have 2hrs/day to hand-sift
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 20:48:02; jurov: asciilifeform: can'
t you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg?
felipelalli: It should say something like "imported: FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9" - but it didn'
t.
jurov: yes you uploaded, that part is fine, but bot hasn'
t downloaded it
jurov: well, then both mine and deedbot-'s keyring wasn'
t updated with your update
jurov: asciilifeform: can'
t you just get rid of gmail? or it's the same situation as you and usg?
☟︎ mod6: yup yup, i put a 0x0a in there just to preseve 80 cols. but perl deoesn'
t care nor does it add a '\n' to the command string
mod6: i can'
t even take the time to jump down that rabbit hole right now.
adlai: well patches, not seals. the latter aren'
t particularly stimulating reading material per se
adlai doesn'
t want a CD because 4/5ths of his hardware doesn'
t know what CDs are... but this is back to bedrock issues
mircea_popescu: adlai no, shiva isn'
t supposed to be "an optimal point". it is supposed to be a CORRECT replacement of a currently broken implementation.
adlai: asciilifeform: isn'
t shiva supposed to be an optimal point BETWEEN sentient-AGI-bitcoinOS and jsonrpc on port 8332?
phf: adlai: i don'
t see the difference. both require you to annotate your classes/method/data somehow. clasp requires less annotation with larger impact then tinyscheme, e.g. it knows about c++ and can do some advanced ffi-ing
mircea_popescu: point remains, resource needs don'
t scale well in this type of problem.
mircea_popescu: you know, if human ability were actually infinite, management wouldn'
t exist.
mircea_popescu: well so then. i don'
t want 10x as many people that can jump 1m. i want people who can jump 10m now.
mircea_popescu: as the linecount you're digesting increases you don'
t need more people. you need smarter ones. it's not like if you need one brick carried you hire one lout and ifg you need 10000 you hire 10000. it's like if you want 1kg carried you can use a dog, and if you need 10 tons you gotta learn to speak whale now.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you know what "not making the cut" is wqith a woman ? even if you're a saudi prince and your daddy buys her for you ; even if you're an afghan monkey and she deeply believes she has to. there's a point where you make the cut or don'
t, and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: <adlai> if "standards" is plural, it's already noncompliant <<< for the record, the reason the enemy uses the plural there isn'
t that the enemy is this stupid, but that it believes in patchwork. ie, standards : one for this, one for that, together they make up a complete thing.
ben_vulpes: adlai: i don'
t know shit, frere, i just drag in dead birds for the adults to dispose of.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 15:24:32; asciilifeform: y suffered from delusions of physics - he was 'raised for physics' by his father, but didn'
t make the cut, and never lived it down
mircea_popescu: it's this sort of "doesn'
t repeat but rhymes" beauty that makes me thing we're really singing spheres music here.
ben_vulpes: because i want to press "shiva" into a tree that doesn'
t have, say, malleus_mikehearnificarum
mircea_popescu: and even without the economic consideration, from a purely intellectual perspective. what is this inhuman, anti-intellectual "the bitcoin developers" bs ? we're not living in the village of pythagora over here, and we don'
t expect "anonymity" to stand in for sovereignity like five years old. gimme the motherfucking list.
mircea_popescu: but the problem per se wasn'
t the end he approached, but the other end.
mircea_popescu: phf actually asciilifeform has a point : two signature lists are needed. complete and dependent. C = all signatures seen on any of the packages pressed ; D = the set of all signatures on which the current press depends - ie, without them you can'
t reach that leaf.
mod6: just imagine that they don'
t exist, now we need to reimplement those changes.
mircea_popescu: every time it runs into something it doesn'
t know what to say about
mircea_popescu: wouldn'
t it be best to test before documenting a feature ? :D
mod6: asciilifeform: what was interesting on these ones is that not only idn'
t they contain *.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig -- they were: *.vpatch.asc
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: ah yep, I saw that doing the makefiles << umm.. thats bad. because that means it doens'
t happen to me, but apparently it happens "in the field" from time to time?
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> ;;later tell mod6 i got v.pl into a weird place where it didn'
t clean up its gnupg tempdir. perhaps consider using an "exit_gracefully" function where you're currently simply "die"-ing. << this basically /shouldn'
t/ happen. i'll follow your steps here and try to see what went wrong.
mircea_popescu: well i said the not a. woman who wants to know why she isn'
t in any particular one ~need only ask herself~.
mircea_popescu: community doesn'
t mean "everyone". nor does it mean "people you'd expect". a guy's harem is not composed of all the women that exist, or all the women he ran into. nvertheless, it works just fine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform original rock in construction is when you encounter stuff that's baseline and can'
t be dug into. in v-programming, when you've dug your way all the way to the genesis.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically, you don'
t get to factor back-ups, because the chain itself is its best backup.
mircea_popescu: i don'
t think many people actually understand how bitcoin works.
mircea_popescu: "The ?little guy? now possesses a large amount of anger about the political system that doesn'
t work for him, which shouldn?
t be surprising since he repeatedly voted against his own interests during the republican tenure. " <<< aaaahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: you can'
t sit there all day laughing your ass off at the endless parade of idjits
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 07:27:47; punkman: why I kept saying that I don'
t like release patches that touch *everything*
mircea_popescu: "seriously, you can'
t repeat what you said to me ? slaves get caned for this!" "but but but mp, it is a computer, it can'
t save an infinity of stuff" "WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU MAKING A MACHINE SAY INFINITY OF STUFF TO ME" "well it's not really infinite, just..." "bring the cane"
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2016 14:27:50; mircea_popescu: and thinking about it on the way from bed to machine, because this idea woke me up : it seems deedbot and the ml management really should be merged. any conceivable reason patches can'
t be submitted via deedbot's mechanism ? not necessarily to remove the email feeding, but as an add-on ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn'
t know they expel ru kids for that
mircea_popescu: it doesn'
t "bring science". it empowers ambitious knownothing.