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ascii_field: (to hold with same tightness as btc)
BingoBoingo: Ah, I was refering to the need to get the keys or the coins, as in you can't take a laptop "full of Bitcoin" and have seized the coins: "Bitcoin on the other hand demands not only mere physical possession, but actual control of a set of keys necessary to transfer value. While gold is vulnerable to a simple change of possession, Bitcoin requires a more difficult but possible intellectual change of possession."
mircea_popescu: someone could steal your gold after you sent it just as well, what's that to do with the gold ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field a magical toothpick works just as well for that purpose.
BingoBoingo: Muh Oppression as a 'Dukes of Hazard' fan
midnightmagic: The other markers of stupidity are absent; his grammar is nearly perfect, and the observations are ironic and deeply philosophical -- *as troll posts*.
mircea_popescu: dja mean "no mas" = not any more, or do you mean nema, as in, none ? :D
mircea_popescu: "With its subversive political allegory - including a terrorist as the leading man - and clear-cut leftist sensibilities, V for Vendetta is the kind of movie that the conservative right will have a field day with."
mircea_popescu: cazalla aww i was looking for a "as BingoBoingo said...". shame on 'em.
mircea_popescu: punkman1 i'm frankly surprised at the hefty chunk left in the 90 days range. i think that graph is bogus, and the real graph is a lot more like f'(x) = f(x)^3.something, where we take probabilities as from 0 to 1.
phf: can anyone confirm that this looks like a complete list of patches to date http://paste.lisp.org/display/150429? (afaik those marked as U have been rejected on ml)
mod6: it patches cleanly, and then I add -fPIC to the makefile as shown before.
mod6: i got the same error as before asciilifeform. maybe i screwed something up.
mod6: well, and it was with gcc 4.8.4, not 4.5.4 (as it is now)
mod6: and old version such as 3.4.6-r2 dones't work because no "hardening" such as PIE
mod6: 4.5.4 failed to build just as the others did: http://dpaste.com/0P88CGV.txt
pete_dushenski: williamdunne given the rebirth of the rebirth of scoopbot, we sorta figured as much ;)
mats: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/23/as-walmart-goes-so-goes-the-nation-or-vice-versa/
mod6: so gcc-3.4.6-r2 will not build with "hardened" set as an option, although uclibc can still be used. we do want "hardened" i would think.
mod6: no such luck with gcc 4.9.2 -- gcc compiled fine, but ran into the same problem as with 4.8.4: http://dpaste.com/368J5K7.txt
pete_dushenski: "Walmart (WMT) will reportedly pull items displaying the Confederate flag, according to a report late Monday. CNNMoney cited the world's biggest retailer as saying it "never want(s) to offend anyone with the products that we offer." The move comes after a 21-year old assailant gunned down nine people at a historic African-American church in Charleston, South Carolina."
mircea_popescu: who is known as mats ?
ascii_field: (that is, ones used as 'hot' wallet, etc)
ascii_field: as i understand, it was meant for 'indoor' nodes
kakobrekla: same thing as last time, 486 instead 468
asciilifeform: at ever more negative interest rates, and you will have to go on lowering them, because if you don't I might cut down on my gambling and crash the financial system again. If you agree to these terms, then you might as well also give away your wallet and your car keys—just to see what happens.'
mircea_popescu: ask them to credit it as <a href=http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-april-may-2015-combined-statement/#selection-455.0-455.21>Eulora</a>, a MMORPG by S.MG
cazalla: mail serv on same ip as qntra because i dont see it in any ban lists yet
mircea_popescu: a) no and b) actually, my server is sending email because somehow someoine signs in as info@qntra and i naively faield to disallow qntra account from sending email
ag3nt_zer0: I should probably just keep digging, but in reading the logs dated late 2013 I see concerns raised that another bubble is fine as long as it doesn't go to 1k... and this was not too long after people were getting warnings that btc wasn't worth more than $130... why was it bad for it to go to 1k or past, and given all this craziness, how do I deduce what would be a current fair price to make a relatively wise investment? I
pete_dushenski: i'm sure he'd appreciate it, if for no other reason than as a reminder than the usistan isn't alone in sucking.
pete_dushenski: taleb's too much a protector of the people to see them as the source of all evil.
mircea_popescu: testnet does not have any actual uses as it is.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000101.html << well since this thermonuked node refuses to attach to any others, i may as well roll this patch in
mod6: as soon as I can, i'll be sure to patch everything in the order specified and kick off a full regression cycle.
mod6: (same sort of deal as last month)
mod6: ok weird. same exact error as last time after complete nuke. tomorrow i'll nuke again and see if gcc will compile without the patch.
mircea_popescu: so now you're in a position to understand why strong (ie, absolute) cryptography is such a threat. it actually annuls a fundamental presuposition of western culture. if there exists something that is in fact inaccessible, then there can be no such thing as "humanism", and thus therefore socialism is just stupid, rather than being what the "nordic system" chicklet claimed for it : stupid but universal.
mircea_popescu: and traditionalism, for the record, is the fundamentally correct observation that there can not be such a thing as a new phenomenon, and the fundamentally flawed proposition that for this reason, it is more important to interpret phenomena through history than through any other lens.
mod6: so one of the reasons i'm being kidna hard-headed about 4.8.4; i'm worried that with a downlevel version such as 3.7 or whatever, that there might not even exist a set of patches (such as Gentoo/uclibc/PIE) that are required for Gentoo -- might be a whole seperate ball of wax & problems.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:24:56; ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far
mod6: before we cut a new milestone, i'd like to have this sucker up and running on gentoo with uclibc & patched with the "gentoo sanity" patches as well.
mircea_popescu: this is the sequence, logically. buncha derps made some rejected "versions", who cares what they numbered them as ?
mod6: The patch we got from that mailing list was from a different version for sure than 4.8.4 -- so i've had to hack it in by hand. gentoo is now applying the patch properly. and it's compiling as we speak. there is one caviat that I need to get over before I can test it though.
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/xDGYGZV.jpg << for all the people using cloud as a buzzword
mircea_popescu: funny that derps using numbers like retarded children use playdo should at any point expect to be engaged by sane people as if serious.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 23:01:12; ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree?
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 19:07:18; ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so maybe the "doesn't work" vs "worked 3 days ago" is simply that you ran yours for a day and ben_vulpes ran his for fifteen minutes. << it just strikes me as unlikely that a node is going to connect to precisely the room i'm in and then bless me with a usable IP addr
trinque: it's interesting then to see humanism in contrast to that term, as humanism seems to imagine this platonic form of "human" which we all resemble, and are therefore intrinsically valuable somehow
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: well I had no idea what structuralism was but read something by mircer_popescu and at the end he said "welcome to the post-post- structuralist world that the internet has enabled" or something to that effect... that got me looking at structuralisma dn post structuralism and I was just confused because what I read was that structuralism was a reaction against humanism -and- tradition,, but as far as i understand, ☟︎
trinque: haha, just as well
ag3nt_zer0: so, if structuralism and post-structuralism are reactions against "traditional" humanism, and "tradition" in general (which seems untenable given that I see Traditonal metaphysics as opposed to humanism), would post-post-structuralism be pro-traditionalism to some degree? ☟︎
williamdunne: Sorry, misread as "education" as a wider group rather than educated
mircea_popescu: (seeing how a transaction lives as such a finite interval before being included in a block, the % of txn that live as "known to one" vs the total "known to all" is of particular interest)
mircea_popescu: were you basically meaning to say "my idea of ideal marriage is where im just rich enough to not give a fuck" but misstated it as "woman should not work out of the house" and ended up irritating random people ?
williamdunne: trinque as if in you pay for their upkeep
mircea_popescu: as in, castigat ridendo mores. to, literally, beat into shape.
mircea_popescu: which makes it very much an idealism masquerading as an objectivism which then drives a particular sort of people up the wall.
mircea_popescu: "C++ is philosophically and cognitively unsound as it forces a violation of all known epistemological processes on the programmer. as a language, it requires you to specify in great detail what you do not know in order to obtain the experience necessary to learn it. "
gribble: isaackl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <isaackl> For BitBet, SEO or finding sites with underutilised ad space (as with 8chan) is probably the way to go? Both take time though. I can send your btc back if you want as tbh I have little expertise in that world. Also let me know if you think my reasoning is flawed.
mircea_popescu: groups benefit from a certain knowledge that a mechanism for disproportionate reaction exists (as discussed in that old arta pedepsirii article). this arrangement simply makes it exist without anyone actuall being personally involved, which is just what you'd expect these days.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172181 << i suspect it works as a "strengthening weakness". which is to say, because it's so easily to be annoying, encourages people to not be annoying. sort of canary in the mine if you will. ☝︎
mike_c: yes, except my father was there too, so he got some worship as well.
mircea_popescu: (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants) << this is not what you make it out to be.
ascii_field: advantage as in, where they have whatever advantage (such as being amorphous turds that can be molded to fit what world wants)
trinque: even that makes very little sense, as though death holds some better alternative
ascii_field: but, as i surmise, on account of 'rather die than compete with 16 year-olds on their home turf'
williamdunne: I more meant it as a negative in terms of attraction
williamdunne: Not young as if in pre-30s
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Young as in 15
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well i plan to shoot a few schmucks first. so just as soon as they can line up enough schmucks willing to be shot.
mircea_popescu: chetty oh, and no "access control" either. as late as 1988 you cvould just fucking WALK INTO the super-secret-only-not-military-because-the-smart-kids-hated-corporals itci
ascii_field: i.e. having to be in the same elevator as those people.
ascii_field doesn't recall perelman so much as threatening to have a wife
mircea_popescu: for otherwise, as the romanian expression goes, "nu ma prea vad in clar"
ascii_field: then i ask mircea_popescu, as best proof of this conjecture, to supply two people who know arse from elbow re: therealbitcoin from this pool
ascii_field: meant shorthand as 'less of a doomed child of specialization and overcivilization in general'
mircea_popescu: specialisation is not the unilaterally superlative good it is presented as.
mircea_popescu: but a) it all lasted as long as the sputnik and b) i forget what i wanted to be b.
mircea_popescu: yes, by 44 they were doing okay, as far as everyone in europe was doing ok after five years of war.
ascii_field: will build it there as soon as the last round of amputation, referenced earlier, is complete
ascii_field: which is, i suppose, as it should be. but means that: we need seeds. ☟︎
ascii_field: as the thing (mostly) died
mircea_popescu: did you actually do a full sync that was throughout dependent on irc as sole primary peer source ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172033 << she's as ugly as a pack of stray dogs. ☝︎
ascii_field: (as in, you get to keep your connection, sure, but you don't get advertised as a seed)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1172311 << depends what you mean by 'accepted.' it, as i understand, breaks seeding. ☝︎
kakobrekla: as the ts guise
Drhelmut: yeah but as a newcomer I have to.
ben_vulpes: man if as an exchange operator you're actually enticing customers one-by-one...
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Its more of a friendly place to discuss trading, as opposed to a place for actual business to occur
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: to paraphrase herr trotsky on war, 'you may not be interested in life as a hobo, but life as a hobo is interested in you'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you as a hobo?!? this i could never picture.
asciilifeform: just as i don't care for it.
asciilifeform: as it was, he was not interested in going to africa to be arseraped. instead, 'drowned like a gentleman'
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:30:48; mircea_popescu: otherwise, they WILL scam you more than you scam them, and you end up with a hole in your gut. one should not visit the anthill unless one's either an anteater or equipped as one.
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 07:28:36; mircea_popescu: he was an idiot for not understanding he is going into it, and for not acting accordingly, but most of all for misrepresenting the sordid state of affairs as a) civilised and b) a fact of life.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171876 << the 'address space randomization' thing is precisely 'teacher's condom' (as depicted in comic, https://xkcd.com/463 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: and that we need 1) own seeds 2) optionally, irc box 3) organized hunt for ungavinized seeds from planet as a whole, to seed (1) nodes with