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solrodar: I mean it's the positioning of the boxes which is the problem
asciilifeform: i could draw the picture and explain. but then i will have drawn the picture
solrodar: I don't see how changing that would give you more space
asciilifeform: they don't have to be
asciilifeform: plenty of room if you remove that limit
asciilifeform: you know, there is no reason why all the letters have to be parallel with the bottom of the page
asciilifeform: (the job won't be done, but it will become possible for me to do it)
solrodar: there are so many edges that you need to leave space between the nodes to keep them from overlapping too much
asciilifeform: solrodar: tell you what. i'm not the one who put up the bounty (that was mircea_popescu) but i was the one who asked for the chart. if you can produce a dependency graph in s-expression format, embodying the info in this graph, ~and~ show me how to get same using open source utils, i will say the job is done
solrodar: I don't think any amount of manual arrangement would shrink the overall size that much
asciilifeform: at least 10% of the page should be occupied by letters. ☟︎
trinque: and/or some really nice force directed graph thing
asciilifeform: the most obvious problems have nothing to do with shortest paths
trinque: it's gonna take manual arrangement
solrodar: yeah some things are oddly positioned
asciilifeform: not trying to be a spoilsport, but pointing out fact
asciilifeform: if you had ~only~ this chart,
asciilifeform: solrodar: gonna tell me that the structure requires putting, e.g., CWalletDB::ReadBestBlock a mile away from AppInit2, even though the former connects to ~nothing else~ ???!!
shinohai: I need a projector to see it
solrodar: but if that's the actual structure of the code then what else can you do?
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 21:11:38; ascii_field: my patience for 'help the mouse find the cheese' ran out when i was four
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-07-2015#1192228 << see thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1194040 << sorry, totally useless ☝︎
solrodar: !rate assbot 1 testing
mircea_popescu: (trying to make sure you can actually claim your prize - as it is anyone can in principle use a freenode nick)
mircea_popescu: also consider leaving a comment with the link and a functional email address on the trilema post.
mircea_popescu: solrodar consider register a signature with the bot.
solrodar: I've made an attempt at the call graph you requested
punkman: maybe a good time for a translation of the older ones? gtranslate not doing them justice
mircea_popescu: punkman how far off do you think tyhat piece is, as a local ?
mircea_popescu: trinque magic thinking is this all through
punkman: mircea_popescu: I liked the toilet analogy
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 20:35:49; funkenstein_: the chain with the most work demonstrated wins
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193749 << this is an important point that i don't think asciilifeform fully digested. replay attacks that rely on block count do not work. actuall superior WORK has to be shown. ☝︎
trinque: where something unnatural persists for so long it becomes the basis of comparison
trinque: I keep wanting to call that "inversion"
trinque: though one hopes it doesn't take long enough for that
trinque: "This is what sociopathy is : what the scum of the earth currently calls its betters." << right, soon to give way to "fagtalkers"
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 20:08:22; decimation: re: political time < it occurred to me that the far more obvious way of synchronizing a clock is to simply take note of the sunrise and/or sunset
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193670 << the mother of all occultations yes ☝︎
assbot: The definitive tract on sociopathy on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPOXmf )
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder: What Does It Really Mean? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPORuX )
assbot: Sluggish schizophrenia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KPONLJ )
trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia << this one's pretty good
mircea_popescu: there is aschilopat, which is a purely nonsense word that is use to convey roughly the same notion, "invisible gross diformity worthy of pity" but it's blue collar slang mostly.
punkman: there's an academic word for it in greek, nobody ever uses it though
mircea_popescu: just like in english, it doesn't actually mean anything, unlike english it is not used by the hipstery youth.
trinque: was otherwise fishing for asciilifeform's definition of the term.
trinque: mostly just that; I hear these terms most often used by someone who thinks someone else has been unfair, and ought to be restrained by the state
trinque: the former something like "does what he wants to, even if people cry" and the latter maybe "lies to his enemies, effectively"
trinque: I (perhaps incorrectly) take "psychopath" to be a political term, akin to "sociopath"
trinque: which leads me to suspect the term itself is stupid
trinque: could not find much clinical "psychopathy" in that
trinque: that's more or less what I got from asciilifeform, that he was describing a person which, to put it in idiot's terms "does what makes sense to him"
assbot: The Polymath Archives: The Inappropriately Excluded ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hct624 )
mircea_popescu: http://polymatharchives.blogspot.in/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html << this thing is such bs. if the intelligent need to whine on an obscure blog, and for "society" to GIVE THEM shit they're about as intelligent as a mensa chapter. which isn't all that flattering. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:55:54; trinque: if he in fact has the capability, then the empathy which might cause him to accept someone else's perspective instead would only be a hindrance
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193642 << is this an actual perspective, or is it a knot of nonsense ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: fact is, if you're not willing to consider the things you aren't going to do, your not doing them is not any sort merit, and it certainly won't ever work in your favour.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:51:46; ascii_field: the 'capable' part is definitely key. who hasn't met his fair share of hack writers, for instance, poor schmucks grasping desperately for one singe original idea? and never finding it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193636 << consider many of the things we regularly discuss here. most people are neither willing to consider not even willing to look upon the outrage that goes on daily, hourly. be it icons of say badly beaten up women, or whatever else. plenty of people keep lists of words they won't ever say. this disinclination ~to consider~, however the subject justifies it, is the c ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and generally, the quality of a system is to be measured by how many people it can make life meaningful for, not how many people it has to kill to survive.
mircea_popescu: so the problem there is of management not of nature. chinese exam taker is a great asset in any sanely balanced system.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:46:07; ascii_field: what makes the exam champ the waste of oxygen that he is ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193627 << this is not unlike inquiring "what makes the sterile woman the waste of chocolate that she is". she only becomes that if you put her in a matronly role. otherwise, i wouldn't want a fertile catwoman. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:38:22; ascii_field: one can have one coming out of ears and arse, and lack the other entirely
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193615 << this is a hollywood fiction. "the strong, silent type". not found in nature. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Hai sa facem o socoteala. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HcsbyU )
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:17:10; ascii_field: '12 years public school, 4 years undergrad, 6 years PhD, 4 years post-doc. You are now over 30, deeply in debt, and starting life. Your idiot high school classmate who held a STOP sign at a construction site has been pulling $80K/year, has a fine home, wife, three kids, and a motor boat. His eldest son rakes in $850K/year tax-free facilitating recreational pharmaceuticals and an escort service.' << schw
mircea_popescu: unless you wish to experimentally prove that ~you~ can insert leap seconds into places.
mircea_popescu: decimation in any case, the time bitcoin uses is a political construct.
mircea_popescu: specifically, that if you wait for the "optimal" you're waiting forever.
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 19:29:12; mircea_popescu: the notion that human agency is ever "effectual" is such rank nonsense to begion with, that a pretense of "saving action for optimal effect" can only be regarded in psychogenic terms
assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 23:17:19; asciilifeform: but no, he wants to use what the gods gave him.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:02:31; ascii_field: 'If you want to end ISIS, teach it game theory and casebooks. "They['ll] get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do," and lose.' (from the al schwartz link earlier)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193590 << he is basically saying http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1170141 and in that he is right. for the exact reason in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-06-2015#1169850 ☝︎☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: <decimation> spacetime doesn't exist? << It isn't space or time, merely the manifold until it is intuited by the apperception
mircea_popescu: as opposed to mass.
decimation: as opposed to what? being derived from platonic ideals?
mircea_popescu: spacetime is an artefact of the observation being carried out.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, this is conventional time.
trinque: women in technology == technologically produced womyn
trinque: ^ found that googling as well
mircea_popescu: decimation time is not a natural phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: and ftr she looked like a guy to me.
decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 18:32:24; williamdunne: What happened to that German socialist girl, she ever come back to continue her derping?
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 18:06:08; ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: this doesn't help either. no one can force them to keep making the 'doxxed' chip.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1193532 << no one can force them to know it was doxxed, either. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: otherwise, nothing keeps you from keeping your own time. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: owner of node may choose to depend on it ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And at that point why not have competing political time broadcast on that signal, signed
BingoBoingo: Disguise the signal as over the horizon radar
BingoBoingo: I read the thread. closest I have to solutions are either Noping ft. meade off the earth into the sun or Noping out and taking stator to ALpha Centurai
decimation: ^ clocks that could be, but probably are not, checked for accuracy
asciilifeform: it's where i describe how bitcoin is not actually decentralized at all, but depends on a thoroughly usgificated network of political clocks
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: might wanna read that thread, it's pretty lulzy
BingoBoingo: No idea about that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you have a tip re: how to make perfectly synchronized with one another rubidium clocks materialize in the existing $20 pogos, i'm all ears..
BingoBoingo: And the way to not drown might just be space ship