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asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the 'i will pick high-level abstractions and then, much later, find a low-level set that supports them well' is doomed. and leads to, e.g., urbit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the incomprehensible mists were him, not you. who the hell knows what's in the box of a guy who does such contradictory things as alf pointed out. i wouldn't risk much on the theory we share any mythology, and it's not even directly evident gabriel_laddel actually lives meaningfully related to the human condition.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: any and all. go, open
phf: mircea_popescu: that point is consistently being driven home. in fact i got to talk lisp to a bunch of random people and had a very visceral experience of the gap. hathayogapradipika says to keep your yoga secret, i.e. don't be a incomprehensible myst. but sometimes i still get carried away. ~some~ people grok me though, even when i start speaking internal experiences.
asciilifeform: so then, what does gabriel_laddel want ~on top~ of 'some moneyz'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't take it all the way to the cave, i believe that one can tap into shared mythic space which has more to do with human condition than it does with humanless abstract. but for how often i'm misunderstood, i suspect that socratic method is much more effective.
asciilifeform: so i must infer that gabriel_laddel did not 'just want some moneyz' or he would be there, already, shovel in hand.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: for folks who 'dun care how, just wanna make some moneyz!111' the belching smokestacks of microshitschwitz are waiting.
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm actually more of jungian
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that it is shared between all designers, it's just that newbs have a very adhoc design space vision, it's better formed with experience
phf: mircea_popescu: i think asciilifeform and gabriel_laddel goals are very similar, combined together they'll produce an easy low complexity (but perhaps less glamorous) design space traversal path. gabriel_laddel doesn't see it, because he thinks that a certain stop on his path is "dirty" or somesuch, so he wants to avoid it altogether
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 15:19 mircea_popescu: phf define for me the concept of "bridged on architectural grounds"
asciilifeform: there is a concept, ad-hoc, i refer to as 'pressure', but there is quite likely a better and more specific name for it. e.g., mircea_popescu , walks into a village, and the menfolk line up in one column and the wimminfolk in another, the men - pick up rifles, and wait for order, the chix - get on knees, ready to pleez, etc.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what can i say, if knife won't cut, get new knife, or cut something softer..
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if answer is 'years' and it still won't eat, either 'not programmable, get a new one' or 'the bad dancer is hindered by own arse' (tm) (r) (iddish proverb)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how long you had this gurl ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: and what is your idea of cowardice?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: east asia ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: elaborate what means 'coward' here ? 'won't attempt to live on tobacco alone, in dumpster, with me ' ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how's an uneducatable intelligent woman like ?!
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: women who are uneducatable but intelligent are exausting..
asciilifeform: and gabriel_laddel if i 'cannot girlfriend because too much work' but the 'work' does not pay even enough to have flea-ridden flat, or post address, i would consider another work...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, he ~is~ doing clim in win95, best as i can tell.
mircea_popescu: Apr 16 03:51:01 * deedbot removes voice from gabriel_laddel Apr 16 03:52:58 * deedbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel << ah yes.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: nope. 'Apr 16 02:19:58 <BingoBoingo> $up gabriel_laddel'
trinque: gabriel_laddel: y'know I used to do this "fuck everything but work" thing, trying to get somewhere.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-16 06:38 mircea_popescu: folding proteins for instance is essentially a search over a very large graph space
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as per the 'shit hanging off the side' thread.
asciilifeform: but plox find yer key gabriel_laddel , esp. if you want the old lenovo thing, i'ma only ship to signed post addr.
asciilifeform: btcalpha does show gabriel_laddel as having rated several people since '14.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: neither mine, nor - it would appear - anyone else's log - has record of this
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I have 3 closed bank accounts.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how come it's - apparently - been out of reach since nov. 2014 ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not lost. Simply out of reach atm.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's toilet is in his kitchen ? or not ?
mircea_popescu: unlike you, mircea_popescu doesn't lie to himself about what's going on.
asciilifeform: and so does mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum was, as you can probably tell, 'roman', or 'man of civilization', 'i'ma drown like a gentleman ! (tm) (r) (brit officer)' etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the coming of 'justice holman's, preets, etc. is not unlike the fungus in aids patient - it is not there from insufficient antifungal intake. by the time it appears, ought to pick out tomb stone, write will.
asciilifeform: subj is not about whether mircea_popescu likes to plow through swamp. but about whether roads are unnecessary because let's all buy amphibious bulldozers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the two items have nothing to do with one another.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum's 'dynamism' is a very particular thing.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'd have to start collecting that information, but yes
phf: mircea_popescu: i haven't had time to integrate it, my spare cycles were going into bot rewrite
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have the 2012 ones yet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for deedbot - apparently never.
mircea_popescu: trinque can you modify deedbot so instead of "<deedbot> gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes." it says "<deedbot> gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. Last self-authed on : <timestamp>" ?
asciilifeform: 'FreeNode-#bitcoin-assets.log:Nov 22 01:21:09 * assbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel'
mircea_popescu: apparently this needs an actual command, $last_check name or somesuch. looks for the last time someone self-authed.
a111: 0 results for "\"from:gabriel_laddel !up\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22from%3Agabriel_laddel%20!up%22
mircea_popescu: $s "from:gabriel_laddel !up"
a111: 0 results for "\"from:gabriel_laddel $up\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22from%3Agabriel_laddel%20$up%22
mircea_popescu: $s "from:gabriel_laddel $up"
mircea_popescu: and in other "la vie c'est ailleurs" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/acf990fa23a1a30bad4ca6c6e21af8a6/tumblr_ndu41h5Ot61ttr86so1_500.gif
asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu -- https://archive.is/Mvc6x - enjoy.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you've not actually managed to lose your key, have you ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: usa post office box is 100bux/yr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but stock x60 bios did not permit 'illicit' nics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody uses the stock nic. it was largely the impetus for the bios swap.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: preferably here, and not email.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: pgpgram when you do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i ended up reversing the vendor bios on x60, or rather, the particular routine that concerned the hardware whitelist, and nopped it out
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: nope
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the point was that rms made certain falsifiable statements, that alf took the pains to falsify.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: neither crashes with vendor bios
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, i reproduced it
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: that was x60!
asciilifeform: and if gabriel_laddel wants an x61 he can have mine for the cost of postage.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-29#1418199 ☝︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: see logs for thread re x60/61
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ty. asciilifeform: I think that the rotating screen is spiffy, and would love to stop carrying around a notepad + computer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwat
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what do you need to know about either
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: aha
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and x60.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i have x61 here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean, a bloke wandering around looking for a woz to bamboozle?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'most of x11 is unnecessary' is a 20 y.o. heresy, that ends up summing to 'let's do graphics the way microshit does' in all cases.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how's this work, you turned it into dissertation ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you saw what i do to 'make money' you would barf, and ask for the valium injector from this morning's thread
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i very much do not have a clear picture of what you're doing. other than the one fact that you seem to believe 'write directly to video ram' as 'viable replacement for x11'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reason i sometimes try to 'wake up' young, excitable folk like gabriel_laddel is that they are not yet at a stage where one made various dead-end design choices , that, now locked into, man enters a sad lifetime of justification and 'just wanted to' and 'only a terrorist would throw out my life's work of library'
phf: i think the disagreement can be bridged on architectural grounds. i think gabriel_laddel's lack of understanding of clx and ideological refusal to understand it better is going to result in the worse final design. there are examples of x11 done right, that are much easier to port away to native hardware. whether or not "x11" or "no x11" is the final design, basic x protocol provides for a very solid set of ground level elements and also
asciilifeform: the part i dispute, gabriel_laddel , is that it is WHOLE
asciilifeform: let, then, gabriel_laddel waste half a decade , as i did, learning what he could instead learn in 10min.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: until i want to send a pcb print to a laser printer.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the msdos-style 'apps will write directly to graphics card' is not a replacement.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: 'replace x11'
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: my understanding of the present situation is that the linux kernel is here to stay, as it is a result of the way that the cee machine works, and contains drivers for a bunch of useful hardware
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the reason kernel exists is so that random crap doesn't steal your machine.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: was my interpretation that in 2002 people were dong a lot of client side font rendering?
phf: gabriel_laddel: i understand your end goal, but the steps that you're taking to get there are going to result in worse design. you'd be better served in understanding clx first, making ~that~ work well by working to its strengths, and then replacing clx with own system. by then you'll have a snappier system and less primitives to write. i highly recommend spinning up VLM/genera and seeing how they do unix interop. it's really quite
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not yet clear as I don't know enough about the kernel to know if I can do away with the whole "user space" thing.