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trinque: ben_vulpes: the lesbian dreadfort notwithstanding
trinque: so there is a central point which can reject the key in the future
trinque: in this case presumably the city itself would be controlled by someone in particular
ascii_field: trinque: also not so easy. see the key revocation thread of last month.
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 19:56:20; trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201280 << this appears in, among other places, 'beneath a steel sky'. ☝︎
trinque: and you could perhaps sign a "my cardano was stolen" message to address thestringpuller
ascii_field: we had this thread
trinque: ascii_field: was imagining a futuristic city with access controls based on WoT standing in response to chetty's comments about islam and violence ☟︎
ascii_field: i can't wait to see all the nails folks try to pound in with this microscope.
trinque: I can't wait to hold one in my hands
mircea_popescu: and it happened to be drop table if exist dash dash ?
nubbins`: "you want me to just say it?"
nubbins`: they asked me for my password over the phone
mircea_popescu: cheaper to sniff mail than to break server.
nubbins`: i used to work for big insurance co
ben_vulpes: trinque: and emails passwords baaack to users in plaintext
ben_vulpes: trinque: the hsa company can't figure out their ssl cert
ascii_field: nubbins`: 'How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. but at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You have to live - did live, from habit that became instinct - in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard...'
ascii_field: and readily admitted to having uploaded it himself, to sks
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine <<< i suggested to buyer we take tx off-site; he agreed. mildly surprised message filters or smth didn't get in the way
ascii_field: he didn't claim a name, or a key, much less a signature of one with the other
ascii_field: imho the fella was trolling
trinque: ascii_field: but he banned the specific mask for that user
mircea_popescu: ascii_field on the same ip.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you know that's the shared arse for everyone who comes in from nosuchlabs.com, right ?
mircea_popescu: no dude, "the consumers have come to expect". pssshhh
ben_vulpes: whoa mp's getting out the banhammer
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 16:58:35; fromphuctor: im pretty sure there's laws in place that give me the right to have that info removed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200957 << o motherfucker will there be no end of this idiocy ☝︎
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is open for everyone who can keep the whole thing. the whole blockchain, the whole mempool, etc.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the notion that bitcoin is open "to everyone" does not include fromfuctorhead above.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: but it is also true that most nodes presently have sufficient physical ram to hold the mempool
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200905 << you can't, and fuck your stupid mother for fucking the lousy drunk that would spring forth an attempted abortion such as yourself for EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT. ☝︎
thestringpuller: this being the default functionality
thestringpuller: it seems this is broken, if tx's oom a nodes' mempool wouldn't this technically be a fraction of the mempool shared by other nodes with more memory?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: why would the network isolate you if you're dropping tx's out of the mempool?
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 19:31:33; mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201203 << consider posting some pseudocode for this, if you have a notion of how it oughta work ☝︎
ascii_field: but if you accept anything but paypal - can be thrown out of 'ebay'
ascii_field: nubbins`: as i understand, buyer can contact you and ask to pay in cocaine
nubbins`: <+ascii_field> who exactly expected to be able to use btc there <<< once listed a casascius coin on ebay. a buyer messaged me through the site asking to pay in btc :o
ascii_field: i dare say the second
mircea_popescu: but it is i think the first chance to actually improve on extant code by writing something since the start of this project. rather than just cutting warts off and sewing the crater together
ascii_field: possibly the most dangerous change yet proposed
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes, complicated, especially due to txn chains. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 15:40:48; funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 15:08:39; jurov: dm-cache using 8 GB SSD would be worth trying, i will when pogos come
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1200847 << this is actually not bad an idea ☝︎
ascii_field hopes that no one is waiting for ~him~ to write this, is occupied with other things presently
mircea_popescu: i didn't mean that isolated. i just meant, "and it never amounted to anything" isolated
ascii_field: 'no incentive' for most of the network participants to do what they are doing - is the current situation.
ascii_field: this is different from 'isolated.' isolated would mean that extant nodes auto-drop you
mircea_popescu: you may either present : a) the whole mempool (current best behaviour) or b) a selected fraction (hopefully future best behaviour)
mircea_popescu: because you present an arbitrary fraction of the current mempool, there is no incentive for anyone to peer you.
mircea_popescu: yes. that's isolated.
ascii_field: no more isolated than if you do nothing
ascii_field: 'why not start small, he said, offering the yoga n00b a single nail' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: not worth doing the other one. you'll just end up isolated on the network.
mircea_popescu: ideally the -so much, +so much and min_node_value are to be set in config file by user.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nothing wrong with keeping a finite ip db and flushing the lowest entries as needed, just like iptables works.
mircea_popescu: this way, our nonstandard behaviour can at least be excused, nodes will continue to peer us for economic reasons, and your dream fo someday someone mining off a pogo may come closer.
mircea_popescu: g accepted txn. then it refuses connectioon to shit nodes. permanently. it still reads from them, but sends nothing.
mircea_popescu: so, how about, something like this : 1. pogo acquires max memory to be used for tx pool ; 2. pogo accepts txn into this until full ; 3. pogo calculates per byte value for eacxh accepted txn ; 4. pogo accepts new txn only if their per-byte value constitutes an increase to its pool ; 5. pogo keeps a score on all nodes ir EVER SAW, by IP! as to what txn it sent : -so much for sending unacceptable txn, + so much for sendin
ascii_field: this is closest to the default behavior (death of whole node)
thestringpuller: oldest tx's get evicted first for newer tx's received?
thestringpuller: would this be first in first out type of mechanism?
ascii_field: so where is this 'nonstandard.' ~ANY~ machine has finite ram, it is entirely standard.
ascii_field: already has the limit
mircea_popescu: there is no benefit to half-solving the problem.
ascii_field: like i said for the orphans,
mircea_popescu: if we're going to do this, which is nonstandard, a) better make it good.
ascii_field: rather than 'oomkill because retarded'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was trying to point out that we need a mechanism to manage mempool on the node. just simple oldest-evict for starters.
trinque: you go up to some gate and do assbot-style authentication
trinque: cardano would be a nice device for this
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun parse that, are you disagreeing or wut ?
trinque: it's a problem solved by both the WoT and building cities according to a concept of "good standing == access" not universal access for all
ascii_field: thestringpuller: not the answer to 'potentially infinite liquid shit in a finite bag'
trinque: so suppose I dropped a link to last night's islam thread
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you can set the policy to drop tx's without fees from the mempool i though
ascii_field: we have two of these left: the block index (discussed previously, 300 byte per blk) and the mempool.
mircea_popescu: if i recall this was discussed, i was spouting things like "sort the tx pool by value per byte, kick out bad txn and nodes that propose them, always offer a buttered selection to askers"
fluffypony: I meant whilst this is going on
mircea_popescu: im not setting mental limits on the basis of implicit conventions.
mircea_popescu: dude, forget this expecting.
ascii_field: who exactly expected to be able to use btc there
mircea_popescu: "ideology" ? yeah, that's right : usg's fucking ideology.
mircea_popescu: "Please understand that you mentioned you accept "Bitcoin" as a method of payment. Some online payment companies are fairly new and inexperienced and they do not provide sufficient fraud protection to members. When we review payment methods to determine whether they are allowed on eBay, two key factors that we consider are "Security and Safety" and "Ease of use". Please do not offer this payment method."
nubbins`: it's not like the etc etc
mircea_popescu: and the infortmation of WHO READS IT is not usg's business.
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 14:43:36; fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html and it found its way here, too
kakobrekla: [20:39:14] <punkman> why no title assbot
danielpbarron: yeah, this same node has reorganized in the past, but that's not the case with this latest hold up
punkman: whoever does, maybe post to mailing list
danielpbarron: not that I'm aware of
ascii_field: danielpbarron: anything about rejected blocks in the debug.log ?
danielpbarron: my node is held up again, this time at height=365262
ascii_field: i suppose mod6 and ben_vulpes ought to make the call