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cazalla: "Neither Alexis nor I created reddit
to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen:
These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of
thought into it." bit of a contradiction eh
BingoBoingo: 24BG of RAM on an Opteron machine at
that price, shit is better
than Ebay
trinque: waiting on
the guy's response
BingoBoingo: At least Bob Beck's financial crowd.
Thing was saved by
the forces of good,
then
the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever
the fuck
mircea_popescu: they've decided
they wanna hang out with wintel and
the rest of
the "good guys in
their own mind" club
trinque: "Sorry for any inconvenience,
this is just how
these
things work." << lol
trinque: ;;later
tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when
they do.
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm off. don't be surprised if
this convo makes it into a post :D
pete_dushenski: mebbe chinese come in
to rape
the blondies and suck up
the minerals, maybe
they can't be bothered and
they leave
the peoples formerly known as 'americans'
to reoganise
themselves
pete_dushenski: federal gov may 'fall over' but
the only
thing most people will notice is how much lighter
the weight on
their shoulders is
trinque: usistan may fall over on its own before
they come of age
pete_dushenski: it's one
thing for isis
to whip
their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive
to bother with us.istan.
pete_dushenski: well as long as you don't move
the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without
the ginormous walls.
trinque: and if ISIS wants
to keep
the outsiders busy, have at it
trinque: this is what I would like
to live within someday
trinque: entering
the gate meant being approved
to do so
trinque: I had
this incredibly vivid dream years ago of a city which denied access based on some mechanism (undefined in
the dream) of verifying identity and relationship
to
those dwelling within
pete_dushenski: trinque for sure, because
those 'westerners' are a bunch of blinded sheep who could use a good raping
pete_dushenski: and it'll
take more
than a generation, or even a hundred,
to change our defaults
trinque: might very well be
that something like ISIS will kill a great many "westerners" in
the future
trinque: I would just like
to see bitcoin kill
these morons
too
trinque: and how is
their ideology going
to rip
through my heart?
trinque: praise be
to allah
the space god and pass
the ammunition?
trinque: we build
them
today like
they're safe from all
that
pete_dushenski: ideologies will rip
through
the heart of whatever armour you've got.
trinque: cities have defended
themselves well against raiding hordes of morons before
pete_dushenski: under your defensive
technology is a satellite colony orbiting
the earth
trinque: furthermore if all
they can manage is guns and missiles,
the non-morons
that understand science can respond with defensive
technology
that makes
that irrelevant
pete_dushenski: instead
they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance
to an ideology and a black flag
☟︎ trinque: and if
they can't organize past
that level, all
the better
trinque: they've got
that baghdadi guy
pete_dushenski: trinque i mean hey, if isis were going
the centralised route, don't you
think
they'd have a king or ruler already ?
phf: ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet
that i can repeat
the process. for example part of build process is a script
that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm.
the fact
that
the result links i
think is a miracle
pete_dushenski: decimation perhaps not.
though if you spill enough blood...
pete_dushenski: doesn't appear
to me
that
they're
trying
to build an 'empire' in
the centralised sense of
the
term
trinque: they're not going
to build a working empire when
they're done
pete_dushenski: the nation states of
the middle east as we know/knew
them.
trinque: there's nothing novel or interesting about
their ideology
trinque: as for bitcoin, one *would* hope
those working within it do understand
the mechanics of
the
technology involved
pete_dushenski: trinque
the equivalence is in
the disruptive potential
decimation: tribalism is in
the bones over
there, I find it unlikely
that a political entity could centralize power effectively
trinque: they will never make anything
themselves
trinque: isis is a cargo cult
thinking allah will bring
them more russian or american weapons if
they piss in
the wind some more
trinque: I do not see
the equivalence at all
pete_dushenski: we're all sitting on 5-10 year old hardware. idjits would readily call
this 'primitive'
pete_dushenski: so what, bitcoin made
the computers, chips, and internet infrastructure
that it's
taking over
the world with ?
trinque: sitting on oil wells
they didn't drill
trinque: let me put it
this way: if something doesn't come along
that could squash an ISIS in a moment,
that's on us.
pete_dushenski: hell, even
the 'elite' ideologies can fall victim
to dreams.
trinque: sure, and
their ideology is based on magical
thinking
pete_dushenski: i don't see an external player
that has
the means or
the will
to
take
them down.
they're no wimpy upstart. isis means business.
pete_dushenski: if isis is undone, it'll be from 'multicultural'
technology
decimation: maybe, but if
this happens it probably won't be
through open battle
pete_dushenski: isis will continue
to grow, because
that's what lifeforms do :
they grow.
trinque: but it would require
them getting
that far
trinque: pete_dushenski: I could very well see something 20 years down
the line
that's much different
decimation: it's political suicide in
the us
to commit
to another full-scale middle east war, which is what is giving isis breathing room
pete_dushenski: trinque sorry, you're saying
that isis is a nuisance
that'll be wiped out if
they get
too uppity ??
pete_dushenski: i see
them as being quite related, if
throwing out
the baby with
the bathwater.
trinque: I bet central americans had a great deal of "will"
too
trinque: pete_dushenski:
that has little
to do with
them ignoring
the subject entirely
trinque: they're a nuisance and if
they become anything more
they'll all be killed
pete_dushenski: trinque well,
the west's 'science' is a largely (if not entirely) a lot of fluff 'epidemiology'
trinque: and
the force of
their will alone will overcome?
trinque: they're going
to what, shout about allah and shoot hand-me-down russian weapons?
pete_dushenski: it won't
take a generation if
the saudi's run out of oil money
trinque: if what's said about
their regressiveness regarding science is
true,
they're not going
to amount
to anything
decimation: in 30 years after
their rule is solidified...
decimation: yes, isis is much
too young
to expand beyond iraq/syria
trinque: it's reasonable
to say
that
the appetite for
total war in
the west... ^
decimation: mainly because nobody can convince
themselves
to give enough of a shit
pete_dushenski: aha, again,
the expense of occupation of syria/lebanon is more
than any soi-dissant 'world power' can seem
to muster.
decimation: however,
trying
to dislodge
them in an occupation war is another matter
decimation: pete_dushenski: not really, it's quite simple,
they would fall
to a single marine division if on
the field in open battle
pete_dushenski: it's incredibly, almost impossibly expensive
to fight against an opponent as ideologically driven as isis (or b,
tmsr~)