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trinque: as if to drive the point home, some fucking drunk bum is hollering
asciilifeform: why engineer anything, when a bottomless supply of monkeys with 'duct tape' can be had.
asciilifeform: if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour.
trinque: I'd much rather automate things than have help
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> to cook my dinner, i suppose << Janatorial duties
asciilifeform: this is one of the ways i differ from mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity.
asciilifeform: what do i need the derps for ?
decimation: asciilifeform: do you sometimes phantasize about locking a group of promising young grads on an deserted island with only circa 1985 tools?
asciilifeform: by today's lights.
asciilifeform: a toolchain that works ~without even a part per billion of microshit~ is pure plutonium, plain and simple
decimation: everything had to work and not be bloatware
asciilifeform: nothing that existed and worked in '86 could really pass as shitware by today's standards.
decimation: they might be shitware, but could be the nucleus of non-winblows designware
asciilifeform: could easily be the only part of the corp that's worth something on the open market
asciilifeform: i specifically asked dks for those
decimation: asciilifeform: the most interesting part to me are the silicon design tools
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm still burning to learn why you're maintaining 0.7
BingoBoingo: Anyone as of yet spot my OpenBSD 0.7-ish build in the wild. Returns version 0.7.3.9 for the time being
asciilifeform: (for completeness, i will note that i will not maintain code mit undergrads wrote in '89. or '99. or '09. or at all.)
asciilifeform: building new things on it? even if usg were not getting in the way? not so appealing imho
trinque: https://i.imgur.com/7zzMNgv.jpg << tramp stamp
asciilifeform: i've said it before, and will say again - smbx is a dead end. i will not maintain crapcode that mit undergrads wrote in 1979.
asciilifeform: decade+ too late
asciilifeform: (firms that actually go under, will often leave intact 'fossils' of themselves)
decimation: asciilifeform: lol they don't wipe drives?
trinque: got 8 scsi drives though, so maybe there are goods to be found
trinque: though it's been wiped by the owner in between me and kernel.org
asciilifeform: trinque: at least do it the honour of preserving the stray bits on the hdds
mircea_popescu: no but i like how he thinks
mod6: <+trinque> if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! << wat srsly?
trinque: alright, so how do we find the govt-grade malware embedded in this thing's mobo?
BingoBoingo: Nice trinque
asciilifeform: decimation: there's no shortage of this kind of thing, as i understand
BingoBoingo: lol, take it trinque
trinque: if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?!
decimation: asciilifeform: you should try 'wegmans'
BingoBoingo: In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese
mircea_popescu: all this logic...
mircea_popescu: til that if you chown public_html away from apache squirrelmail fails to function anymore
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the lulzy quote: http://dpaste.com/0E6JFXW.txt
asciilifeform: was mainly a gedankenexperiment, of somehow attaching wot ratings to coin in a permanent way.
asciilifeform: other than the moles
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it wasn't especially viable then. and after adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form, i can't think of who might voluntarily work with such a thing today
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: do you still consider the bitcoin-p option as viable?
mod6: well, at least `objdump -T bitcoind` shows: objdump: bitcoind-woNoShared: not a dynamic object \ DYNAMIC SYMBOL TABLE: \ no symbols
decimation: same with the 'satoshi horde'
asciilifeform: one, or none, of those keys - may turn up.
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, nothing can ever be proven 'lost forever'
BingoBoingo: So Iran nuclear deal... Only actual impact is Persian agricultural goods pricing Israeli agricultural goods out of the market?
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: the paper referenced in the article, however, has nothing to do with me
decimation: asciilifeform: all that early btc is probably offset by the big chunk that has been lost forever
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: oh that was you... very enjoyable reading btw...
asciilifeform: one might suppose that its existence is 'priced into the market' somehow.
asciilifeform: this bomb is there, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not, and may - or may not - explode one day
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: the 'atomic bomb' is - now, as when i wrote the piece- -- the mega-holdings under a sole key, which never move.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: could be wrong but I thought he was addressing the tx volume with that statement
decimation: asciilifeform: also somewhat little known about costco amex: you can walk in with your annual refund check and they will pay you in cash
decimation: they know a huge chunk of their business comes from rich folks with costco amex cards
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: hard to argue that ~coins that never move~ are 'e-wallets behind one address'
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it is lulzy. I've heard from some small time merchants that amex dropped their transaction fees below visa/mc
asciilifeform: decimation: this is doubly lulzy because amex is the 'pay to play' cc issuer
decimation: re: costco amex < yeah I posted about this awhile ago. turns out amex didn't want to 'make a deal' to keep costco, and instead steer their business toward servicing poor folks at walmart
BingoBoingo: <ag3nt_zer0> was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? << at the time likely in part
ag3nt_zer0: was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address?
BingoBoingo: <mats> dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol << Rules for this happen on a state-by-state basis. Normally the "shame" keeps all but saviest lumps out
asciilifeform: why this was - i can't recall. might like to ask him.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys' ☟︎
ag3nt_zer0: Today I was looking at LoperOS and one of the things I read was his article about the kill switch... searched the logs for commentary but didn't find too much. But I thought maybe I had read something addressing it on Trilema... is that right?
asciilifeform: i can't think of a reason to suspect that this was ever public, but doesn't hurt to look.
mats: i'm looking for a pdb to 'vwififlt.sys', for an intel wifi card i believe
mats: asciilifeform: is there a repository on the internets somewhere for windows symbol files (not Windows Symbol Server)?
danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the terms of chargebacks more often
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the operative distinction is 'no chargebacks', i think
asciilifeform: iirc they also take old-fashioned money.
mats: that sounds dicey. wouldn't want to input a PIN at their POS
mod6: i have serached forward to SSL
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mod6: so i've got the two binaries recompiled, not stripped. not exactly sure what i'm looking for in here. doing a diff with objdump.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mats: aha. nope << Other cards still work if processed as "debit" rather than "credit"
ag3nt_zer0: danielpbarron: thanks!
asciilifeform: mats: the clerk informed me (when collecting my hundy) that their amex thing will vanish next year.
mats: and i hear their entire back-end is mostly paper
mats: never seen one like that. but i have been tempted to get a 'costco amex', the rates are good and amex has historically had great customer service
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 gcc is the basic compiler. your kernel was compiled in it.
ag3nt_zer0: I was following then got all paranoid and been stuck on researching what GCC is, whether or not it can compromise system, and whether this is all an elaborate scam to get my non-existent bitcoins
mircea_popescu: the romania version requires you to have a corp registered
asciilifeform: mats: the one i went to had a bouncer.
mats: they can't exclude plebs for those particular purchases i believe
mircea_popescu: iirc he updated the wiki to reflect his experience.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: php got Eulora running on OSX... did he do anything different than is on the wiki?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' << used to shop at their equiv in ro. "selgros".
asciilifeform: rather than for the 2 percent off chumpatronics
asciilifeform: mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens
ag3nt_zer0: it would be cool if readers in this group had a "Recommended readings" list or something... that would be awesome actually
asciilifeform: but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens
mircea_popescu: <mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << god knows romania has been doing it for a decade straight.
asciilifeform: hungarian cannonmaster, siege, -- turks
mircea_popescu: in this sense, the few captive "us trainers" they have work exactly like the mongols'