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decimation: but remember how it was rejected as being 'too friendly to third parties'
asciilifeform: at all levels, too.
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I agree with that too
decimation: now, the scammer could discover a 'credited ip' and run down its account
decimation: automation could talk & update router regularly
asciilifeform: jurov: that part's easy.
asciilifeform: have fun with tx fees and hour-long confirmations for packet
decimation: why not take the 'pay per page' subscription model one step further? 'pay to route' pakets, in btc?
decimation: granted, it's expensive to build and maintain, but it was kinda baked into the way the internet works
decimation: at any rate, it does seem that the 'content distribution network' approach is the only one that seems to hold up against this kinda crap
decimation: I suppose it kinda has to use dns to defeat trival remappings
decimation: but I too am curious how disabling qntra's dns while clobbering random bystanders helps anybody
decimation: the amusing thing to me is that the 'ddos cannon' is using dns ☟︎
asciilifeform: (iirc one of us suggested this experiment nearly a year ago, but noted that the proper whitehouse oughta be used)
asciilifeform: decimation: i think so
decimation: also, I don't know what the 'web 2.0' thing he posted a picture of is? is that some kind of dns control panel? ☟︎
assbot: The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TKLzL8 )
decimation: I thought it was a porn site
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu whitehouse .org ?! iirc that was a parody site...
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Technology, communism and the Brown Scare ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQghhw )
decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html < " Google, of course, claims the fact that it would rather hire out of East Bosnia than East Palo Alto is a competitive trade secret. Well, I suppose. Curiously enough, Apple, Yahoo, and Oracle share the same secret. Ha, ha! Is it a secret to you? It's not a secret to me!"
decimation: "Yahoo disclosed last week that African Americans made up just 2 percent of its workers, while Hispanics stood at 4 percent. Those revelations came days after Facebook reported that in 2014 it had employed just 81 blacks among its 5,500 U.S. workers."
assbot: Silicon Valley struggles to hack its diversity problem - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1CQgdOH )
decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/silicon-valley-struggles-to-hack-its-diversity-problem/2015/07/16/0b0144be-2053-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html < lol the 'google is racisis' shoe is dropping, as predicted by anyone with a brain
mod6: that'll leave the dirs in place
mod6: maybe the best option is to add a one line shell script that just does: `find . -name ".gitignore" -exec rm '{}' \;`
mod6: the only thing in the obj-test directory before applying that patch is '.gitignore' so why wouldn't it be removed like obj/test and obj/nogui?
mod6: well, thats weird. it seems to remove obj/test and obj/nogui, but NOT obj-test which is left empty?!!?
mod6: i might just be dumb. build a test env with http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt and see if anyone can get the rm_gitignore.patch file to apply without removing the obj/test obj/nogui or obj-test dirrs
mod6: anyway i'll work on it. just don't use the rm_gitignore patch.
mod6: if i want an empty dir, i should be able to have an empty dir
mod6: unless our solution is to add .keep files in there, which i think kinda sucks.
mod6: so... yah, a bash script or removal by hand. would be fine i'd think. but now i gotta test it a bit harder. if we leave empty directories in there, im worred that patch might come along at a later time and be helpful again, removing those object output diretories.
mod6: lol, it's trying to be helpful.
mod6: yah, and when applied `patch` ends up removing the dirs along with the .gitignore files because it renderes those directories empty.
asciilifeform: unix patch util is diagnosably retarded, we knew this
mod6: here's the patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000125.html
asciilifeform: possibly ought to be a shell script rather than patch.
mod6: ben reminded me to add a patch that removes the 5 .gitignore files. seems easy enough, so crated a quick patch, attempted to apply, worked fine -- I didn't notice that it blew away the directories as well though. : obj/test obj/nogui obj-test
asciilifeform: i'm still not entirely grasping how all of this came about
mod6: but now I'm scared that even if i /do/ remove them by hand, they might get accidentially pruned by a downstream patch (later in time) causing the makefile to puke. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: lol, yeah it's obnoxious. and i think the only way to solve this is to remove them by hand.
mod6: yeah, it basically zero's out the file, and then it seems to remove the file with -N (diff) and if there is nothing left in the directory, it zaps that as well.
asciilifeform: (what kind of imbecile thought that this was appropriate ?!)
asciilifeform: it removes files by shitting out the whole file as a minus sign delta
asciilifeform: this is all in the logz.
asciilifeform: mod6: iirc patch cannot remove dirs. which is why i wrote 'chicken' the way i did
mod6: i searched lastnight for a looong time to find anything to tell patch to no prune empty directories, but it doesnt seem like an available option.
mod6: so yeah this is annoying with `patch`. if you do `patch -p1 --posix < rm_gitignore.patch` it doesn't remove the dirs /or/ the files, just leaves 'em truncated. which is dumb too.
mod6: But you'll still have to create your own distfiles + ourlibs then drop in ssl/bdb/boost into distfiles. then pull down stator and build.
mod6: So this can be used as a test platform for all the patches, etc. . If you're really ambitious you can install gentoo as above ^^ then use this to pull down the v0.5.3.1 basecode and apply these patches: http://dpaste.com/23VKWD8.txt
asciilifeform: i've been waiting to hear somebody describe ~some~, even very theoretical, down side for those ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 11:37:45; punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches
mod6: oh and there is a new Gentoo guide for nomultilib/glibc -- I created it yesterday & trinque verified as well:
scoopbot_revived: Porscheflation and the death of automotive purity. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/19/porscheflation-and-the-death-of-automotive-purity/
mod6: <+punkman> oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry! << np, just resubmit and i'll give it another try. or even just pass me a version before submit if you like just to be sure it works. np.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails? << yeah, it's not really linus or git, it's patch that does the dirty work. and yeah, the makefile depends on being able to write to some of the dirs.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps? << it seems that way kinda. i guess people tend to use .gitkeep (an unsupported work around instead. but w/e)
Naphex: perhaps try a new nickname :p
Naphex: ah :D didn't know you were that emberrased :)
danielpbarron: or maybe i totally misunderstand the demographic you're looking to attract
danielpbarron: having to do this on display infront of other guys isn't the most condusive to arousal i would imagine
danielpbarron: isn't the point to tell the girl what you'd like to see
danielpbarron: i mean, why not? why does the troll box have to be visible to other wanker?
danielpbarron: Naphex, is it possible to initiate private shows, or at the very least send private messages to the model?
scoopbot_revived: The lulz of today, or "you think it's only some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?" http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-of-today-or-you-think-its-only-some-kids-that-will-exhaust-their-resources-soon/
mircea_popescu: it is in fact the superlative failure.
mircea_popescu: and this because if i were the board of an automaker where this happened and the ceo failed to so fire the design team, i'd so fire the ceo.
mircea_popescu: with actual kicks to the backside, no joking around. "you are done in this industry and your mothers should be ashamed of fucking drunks"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206146 << i've been mulling over this the whole fucking day, incidentally. if i were ceo of any automaker and the new model made the old models go up in price, i would on the spot fire the entire design team. ☝︎
punkman: fwiw, I've read the patches and it all seems good. I only have reservations about the 2 orphanage burning patches ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there are TONS of such problems with the thing. not that they're necessarily unresolvable - maybe they'll get fixed. they won't get fixed however for a pet project that goes about as far as the "be an astronaut" curios.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 01:18:02; ben_vulpes: anyways, the drivetrain is incorrect. yes, electrical drive is fantastic for the low-end torque, but regen brakes of engineering necessity must clamp down insanely hard in order to maximize current out of the machines.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:41:04; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell solrodar hey man i need a hand compiling boost in order to test your callgraph visualizer
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; ascii_modem: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205870 << wai wut - ?? - no one signed that he has read, tested - and straight to release?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206063 << not like there's an obligation on the part of anyone to sign. if people are happy with what signatures they see, they can use. if not, not. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i guess we're all just holding our breaths for the gossipd
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 21:38:39; felipelalli: keep both online, but when the free version is being attacked at least you have an alternative
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1206026 not even a bad idea, at that. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 19:07:35; ben_vulpes: <punkman> I'd really like the debug.log to be parseable, that's the main motivation here << this is an excellent goal. a+ if you crap out an EBNF to go along with it, instead of some "protocol is in the code" parser script.
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:33:59; mod6: Anyway, most of the submissions so far have been pretty top notch. We want to encourage people in the WoT to submit patches. If something is submitted but doesn't make it into a release right away, that certainly doesn't mean it won't be pulled in to a later milestone.
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/18/what-other-currencies-besides-bitcoin-have-experienced-inverse-debasement-basement/comment-page-1/#comment-267798 for teh lulz
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 00:22:12; assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 18:10:58; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so what's the plan, turning stator into a release ? << Yeah. I believe 'stator' + { eat/dump block, rm testnet & verifyall } should be the 5.4 release unless anything additional is submitted before we can finish testing & bundling release.
mircea_popescu: notrly how this works.
jurov: you think it's ionly some kids that will exhaust their resources soon?
mircea_popescu: not like he's doing any damage to anything but himself.
mircea_popescu: im all for it, let the guy waste his botnet time on qntra, 255 ips at a time, 65536 ips at a time, whatever.
jurov: looks like you'll end up with content distribution network and that does not need one c block
jurov: how would that help?
punkman: oic now, forgot to put ShrinkDebugFile back in after deleting in first version, sorry!
punkman: mod6: punkman: I get this error when I try to compile with your patch http://dpaste.com/11G00N1.txt << strange
ben_vulpes back to drinking with crazyfam
ben_vulpes: AND if i'm reading this thread correctly if we blow away the DIR (!?!) compilation fails?
ben_vulpes: btw is it me or was linus retarded for making git work in such a way that one has to stick a file in a dir to get git to keep it around?
ben_vulpes: mod6: were they using .gitignore files as .gitkeeps?
mod6: leaving the necessary directories.
mod6: perhaps we just don't use my submitted patch and then I just prune the baracles by hand in the release source base.
mod6: `man 1 patch`: -E When patch removes a file, it also attempts to remove any empty ancestor directories. << i can't get it to leave the empty dirs.
mod6: if anyone has any ideas on this, let me know. im stumped
mod6: so that isn't gonna work.