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trinque: just build it such
that it'll work on
that
too
trinque: I really don't
think not having a b-a satellite network should preclude getting started on gossipd
mircea_popescu: and if
they refuse
to sign a contract, im going
to sue
them for refusing
to sign a contract, which
thewy actually have
to do being a de facto monopoluy
decimation: if you are in a datacenter you might get
this level of service
mircea_popescu: but
the very basic "all plaintext email is spam,
throw it out" rule would do
that.
decimation: isn't
that exactly what 'ddos protection' and 'spam protect' do?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> boost compiles fine with macports << i'm a homebrew dood. perhaps
this is wrong?
trinque: as said
the existing internet does very much
the same
thing
mircea_popescu: this notion
that infrastructure has power is ludicrous.
trinque: point would be
to define your own network layer,
then have multiple
transports over which it may be routed
mircea_popescu: what's next, power rangers will hurt
the bitrcoin foundation by not releasing further crap ?
decimation: or,
they choose
to null route only your stuff
mircea_popescu: or
they break it, in which case
they kill
themselves but we still don't care (for
the same reason original internet was robuts - rerouting)
mircea_popescu: i dun see how
they do anything. either
they maintain compliance with
tcp/ip spec as is, in which case
they do nothing
mircea_popescu: you drop all
traffic except port 1337 and check sigs for
that so as
to only forward stuff
to your own peers
that
they accept.
decimation: yes but what if
two wot members are peered
through several untrusted hosts?
decimation: someone is gonna have
to be in
the middle, who may or may not route packets at
their pleasure
decimation: yeah but
that still implies physical connection
mircea_popescu: you don't even need
to charge per se. just, PEER. as in, actually.
mircea_popescu: server
that rejects requests on 80 etc is way harder all of a sudden
decimation: that was kinda my point about
the 'charging per route'
mircea_popescu: it could
trivially work on existing infrastructure really.
the ability
to ddos only exists on some ports and in some circumstances as it is, because
that's what
the derps use.
mircea_popescu: exactly how it works here : we have a public slut (ie, gribble) who will convey a message
to anyone, and who can
trivially be silenced. otherwise, suppose unknown asks you
to convey message
to me. well ? why would you.
mircea_popescu: you know
those hops in
the
traceroute ? well...
the assumption is
that
they'll just
take a packet.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, all
the web
that matters will be visible
to all
the people who matter.
decimation: note
that
this kinda implies you are building your own network, not using some else's ip routing
mircea_popescu: this will make "most of
the web" inaccessible
to "most people", but only if we measure "most" linearily.
mircea_popescu: 1Mpps has been seen, so... yeah routing over wot will not be a
trivial problem. but it does have a
trivial solution :
decimation: very few providers in
the world could even measure 100 gbs ddos
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:35:33; jurov: dear decimation
these ddoses have
tens or hundreds gigabits... and not with 1500 byt packets
trinque: asciilifeform: got elephant working with postgresql, wasn't
too bad
decimation: in fact,
there's a point where it hits an 'uncanny valley' and you realize it's all a set with fake shit everywhere
mircea_popescu: moving from 2mb gifs
to 600mb .avis was a great reason
to ditch
the cdrom get a dvd
mircea_popescu: moving from asciiart
tits
to 500kb gifs was a great reason
to ditch
the diskette and put in a cdrom
decimation: indeed. my experience is not enhanced by watching
the individual whiskars on gandolf's beard
mircea_popescu: more like in hopes
that social relevancy is
tied
to "technological advancement".
decimation: heh now
the 'movie industry' is going
to 4k (3840 x 2160) 3D - in hopes
they can hold off piracy, would be my guess
mircea_popescu: "can't afford
to not hire
this guy now and have him hired by someone later".
decimation: all of
the
testing amounts
to 'unofficial iq
tests', as far as I can
tell
decimation: maybe in
their young and dumb days, but now
they are legendary for
their pickiness
mircea_popescu: anwyay,
the notion
that google hires derps with degrees is news
to me. i
thought nobody got
to finish his degree because hired in 3rd year.
☟︎ decimation: except, nobody seems
to blackmail microsoft for pumping out shit
mircea_popescu: whole fucking country is by now
the United Republic of Blackmail.
mircea_popescu: they
took 4% last year and are in
the workforce at 2% ?
mircea_popescu: Last year, black students
took home 4.1 percent of
the bachelor’s degrees in computer science"
mircea_popescu: "But fresh data show
that
top schools are
turning out black and Hispanic graduates with
tech degrees at rates significantly higher
than
they are being hired by leading
tech firms.
decimation: they carefully craft routing
tables with all
their peers so
that
they can have multiple hosts with
the same ip
mircea_popescu: anyway, all
this is (as you prolly expect it from shit i do) very much experimental.
trying
to actually make a site where users can safely use
their ips.
decimation: which is why it didn't go down,
they did spend $x mil, possibly $bil
mircea_popescu: well
that makes sense
then. i was impressed originally.
decimation: which one?
the akamai host you linked?
mircea_popescu: i
think
they spent a coupla million real dollars on
that gateway
mircea_popescu: nuked
the parody site rightr off
the net, but wh stands.
decimation: yeah, and your 'gambit' confirmed
that
they do strictly
this
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:16:30; decimation:
the amusing
thing
to me is
that
the 'ddos cannon' is using dns
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 19:09:25; decimation: also, I don't know what
the 'web 2.0'
thing he posted a picture of is? is
that some kind of dns control panel?
mircea_popescu: then
they sprout cheeky
teenagers with "nordic system" delusions. won't fill
the void.
mircea_popescu: anyway, zee germans have gained a very petty habit of being miserable
to
the people
they owe gratitude
to. no hitler statues, put
that kohl fellow in jail...
mircea_popescu: specifically re 13 : if isis submits a bid
to buy out raytheon,
this proposal will not go
to
the shareholders. it will go
to a so called "anti
trust regulator" or w/e, which will reject it.
decimation: after all, britian capitulated rather quickly
to us demands for it
to 'decolonize'
decimation: at any rate, my original point is
that it would have been interesting
to see german v.
the world in an economic war rather
than military
mircea_popescu: s/fuck you/you made
the statement, you prove it/ for any unschooled gals in
the audience.
mircea_popescu: not
that
the guy is pointedly "against populism", admitting for
the sake of argument
that
tyhe concept even holds meaning outside of its proper reference (it is after all a notion of democracy). but
then again
the bar for "not being x" is not "being patently against x"
mircea_popescu: i don't recall any sort of voting being held on when
to attack, soviet style.
decimation: 13. We demand
the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
decimation: "7. We demand
that
the State shall make it its primary duty
to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible
to feed
the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from
the Reich."
mircea_popescu: (great film btw, murphy is
the heir
to
the
throne of zamunda, pursues some ugly nigglet in queens. who doesn't like him because he's rich, and
to
their assheads at
the
time in
the 80s
this is a flaw)_
mircea_popescu: you can quote chapter and verse for
this notion or are merely relying on what us agitprop and clueless derps like
that mcdowell woman in
that eddie murphy movie
told you ?
decimation: all
that might be
true, but
the nazi platform appeared
to mostly be "give
to
the people all
the
things" (minus jews, foreigners, etc)