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mircea_popescu: or i suppose for the same reason i'd visit a viking boat.
mircea_popescu: and the only reason i'd go to a movie theatre is to get a public blowjob.
asciilifeform: those factories are not there. and there is no economic mechanism for building them again.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:38:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213098 << in point of fact, it is ~not~ still there. for the same reason that we no longer have the horse supply and maintenance system circa 1880. ☝︎
asciilifeform has always found the use of the word 'productivity' standing alone to be batshit - productivity ~at what~ ?
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:31:47; mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with.
asciilifeform: but - that meatwot is locked up nice&tight.
asciilifeform: to the point that i'd much rather program for, e.g., s/390, than for pc.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:30:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213084 << what little is left of the ~actual~ ibm products gives me a kind of 'retro', nostalgic vibe. because - pre-microshit. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 10:15:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213080 << ever been to a movie theatre ? was it 720 px wide ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 09:35:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213050 << nonsensical? beg to differ. or do i have to post a binary with priv elevation that actually ~does~ format hdd, to prove this point ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213165 << ugh, 'raspberry'. betcha it can't keep up with an actual pdp8 ~in real time in all cases~ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 12:53:23; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
chetty: pdp 8, wow blast from the past
assbot: Running TSS/8 on the DEC PiDP-8/i and SIMH - Raymii.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Z3UW )
shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform off to buy tea if these are the proper instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html ☟︎
mircea_popescu: man has a point. there has been NO inovation worth the mention, and no "HDTV" and stupid ass bootstrap don't count.
mircea_popescu: if the past two decades of rapidpace never happened, we'd be in a much better position, not having to waste time trying to figure out how the fuck to even get static binaries made anymore.
mircea_popescu: why is it that the greatest republic in history uses "antiquated" software from 1990 as in the case of gpg, why are we on irc, etc etc ? because rapid pace of what ?
mircea_popescu: ft today. Their "innovation" is _purely_ restricted to more shiny wrappings, because that is where the money is in today's market." << ahaha yeah! check it out...
mircea_popescu: "The software industry has turned into a pyramid game because the government valuation strategies for software have penalized longevity. It has absolutely _nothing_ to do with the so-called "rapid pace" of the technological development. It isn't rapid and I'll dispute a claim of general development, too. It's all about marketing old ideas in new and ever more shiny wrappings, and nobody does that better than Microso
mircea_popescu: solrodar this is how bureaucracies are born.
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 18:13:48; mircea_popescu: so now owner of palantir goes out and buys himself fiddy million twenty dollar hookers, amirite.
solrodar: so I ended up two degrees of separation away from the person paying me :P
mircea_popescu: s to _continue_ to play (read: lose money to) the lottery for him to get monthly installments." ahaha check it out, naggum gets infinitesimaly close to comprehending the nature of the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: "Instead of being a guarantor of stability and long-term safety that each of us cannot build or even maintain on our own, policies in the information technology industries have turned into guarantors of instability and short-term profiteering, effectively betting the future on the fun we can have today, a massive lottery where everybody loses, especially the guy who wins $25 million and discovers that everybody else ha
solrodar: but then he wasn't able/willing to test it himself
solrodar: asciilifeform didn't like the graph layout but was willing to accept it as long as I released details of how it was produced
mircea_popescu: actually looking at the ratings i would guess this was actually accepted and i just didn't get the memo. all the better.
mircea_popescu: b6f7f5ce3ab9bddf0bf5c32ec4b01d7ac5a590396ff87ae0a846975cd5303458 solrodar. thanks for your help! ☟︎☟︎
solrodar: mircea_popescu: thank you
mircea_popescu: specifgically i will put asciilifeform, ben_vulpes and everyone else on notice to the following fact : if you don't effectually and effectively take delivery of these sorts of things, it's not that my 1 btc or w/e is wasted. it's thjat the remainder of my stash is wasted, because lo! i can not use it to direct activity. help me help you over here wouldja. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 'll pester them.,
solrodar: mircea_popescu: I don't want to pester the developers to deal with something they're not really interested in
mircea_popescu: anyway, i think the proper thing to do here is pay out.
mircea_popescu apologizes to solrodar for this taking so damned long.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 08:11:58; ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/scan-build/ << not much of interest, but i thought that i'd share clang's opinion with derp anzers
solrodar: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213044 << if you've managed to get clang to work, are you able to check my script? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is why tort laws are building socialism. "we sell you the coffee - if you kill yourself with it that's your problem" is the correct position, and what the courts should, and what the b,tmsr~ courts do enforce)
mircea_popescu: i don't wanna die in the stupidboat.
mircea_popescu: better exam of idiocy could scarcely be had. and so here we are. no "conditional royalties", no "apple store", no "charge for runtime" and none of that jazz. not because it's wrong, or evil. because it's stupid, and because it enacts an unsustainable model.
mircea_popescu: i personally knew my father was a retard when i was about thirteen, and he threw a fit insisting i "stop using tools for other purposes than they were made".
mircea_popescu: the reason being, obviously, the eternal problem of unforeseen utility.
mircea_popescu: all that remains is one single entity which starts with the grassy knoll and ends with the satellite, and you will never EVER be able to make this wholly integrated pile of nonsense compete on any sort of footing with actual capitalism
mircea_popescu: trhis is not even a moral issue, or some sort of bullshiot about rights. this is the nudest, rudest self preservation at work. if you wish to force (and by allowing, you force) the knife maker to have opinions of knife usage, you have created the worst sort of socialist centrally commanded economy possible.
mircea_popescu: if i buy a knife, I OWN THE KNIFE. and whether i use it fifty times or three, whether i am the most frequent user of the knife or least, whether i make most money from its usage opr least, this is entirely my business.
mircea_popescu: for the record, the notion that some twerps may charge "per runtime" is such corrosive nonsense i have no fucking idea who or why would ever defend it.
mircea_popescu: " If we apply an interpreter of British understatements and general vagueness in preference to precision, however, I get the impression you're trying very hard to have an opinion about another company, which _does_ have royalties as part of their business model and that you are trying to invalidate that model by implication."
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 07:58:50; jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213040 < heh. this is true. the medieval contention was as to the place of earth, not as to its shape. "urbi et orbi", ie, the classical papal dedication, specifically speaks TO THE GLOBE. as a sphere. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:30; asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213025 << it never left, you know. it's still here. if you're willing to take z80 as "state of the art", the whole shebang is still here. problem is you want a different state of the art, because we actually need it, because z80 mined bitcoin can't survive in the field. and so... ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: what do you think the "human batteries" would have done, were they not "in the matrix" ?
mircea_popescu: just like women gotta "be sluts" or else your paniced bipedal dog is too afraid of black holes to stick his wee wee into the right hole, just so microsoft must be there for a hundred milion autistic schmucks to be even able to get out of bed i nthe morning.
mircea_popescu: which is, and has been, and will forever remain the only function, the chief utility and the very point of abstractions. it allows men to survive their fears.
mircea_popescu: they're not wasting anything, they're just giving a bunch of fuctards the illusion that they actually belong here.
mircea_popescu: but even after their blood gurgles, the fact will stand. there was no productivity there from they one.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as we're done with the festivals dedicated to their dressing up as the sacrificial goat.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the charade and all the dancing. and yes the various jews, selected goats, ibms m$ and usg will be beheaded for this fault "of theirs",
mircea_popescu: the plain sad factual truth of the matter is, that there was no manna there to begin with. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:35:06; decimation: but you make a point - the software industry (and usg in general) has mastered the art of wasting the productivity of its population
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213024 << this is unduly self-flattering. there WAS NO PRODUCTIVITY THERE TO WASTE. this is the ultimate reason. there's no secret conspiracy of illuminati aliens to steal the manna of earth. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:29:00; asciilifeform: just as was the case after the fall of ibm.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213012 << the ibm-ibm of today is so lulzy tho ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 05:24:04; decimation: unfortunately it seems that the "cl logs" are quite scattered and need to be reconstructed by a student (unlike b-a logs)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212997 << i vaguely remember people trying to hire someone to summarize all this. it.... never got anywhere. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, just more nails in the coffin of bullshiot "higher resolution".
mircea_popescu: Making matters worse, HEVC Advance says their licensing terms [listed in detail here] are “retroactive to date of 1st sale”
mircea_popescu: lol damn i should read three lines ahead.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 04:45:09; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc this is standard sendmail behaviour
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hanbot from 5 to 5 with note: extremely productive manual tester
mircea_popescu: !rate hanbot 5 extremely productive manual tester
assbot: You rated user hanbot on 30-Mar-2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: The forum loves her a lot..
mircea_popescu has enjoyed the logs so far.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:55:08; trinque: motherfucker... I google this AWS issue I'm having, and find myself bitching about said problem here two months ago
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:26:44; decimation: policies like income & capital gains tax can be seen as a method of exhausting potential suitors to power
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212840 << they are. the problem being of course that they also exhaust the potential of survival. because that is quite strictly what those suitors are : in their replacing of whoever, they also ensure the whole shebang can keep going. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: we got a lot of work for a man of your talents o.O
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 02:25:03; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212646 < this is a good point (taxation is always political). yet it does have economic consequences, and I would prefer to distort the economy toward favoring work and saving over consumption
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212838 << when you're done distorting the economy you can start distorting the wave function. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1212834 << you know it maybe bears repeating that nonsensical dire warnings are just as bad as no warnings at all. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/scan-build/ << not much of interest, but i thought that i'd share clang's opinion with derp anzers ☟︎
jurov: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no turdatron runs on linux. so far all the cases happened on client, i won't mind this further until you say "i have checked my outbox and it's not mutilated there"
jurov: "In my research, I looked to see how old the idea was that medieval Christians believed the earth was flat....No one before the 1830s believed that medieval people thought that the earth was flat." ☟︎
decimation: "Each of their [the Western government's] decisions is an atom unto itself, made through an almost ritualized process by a large number of very intelligent, talented and ambitious people, whose abilities tend to cancel each other almost perfectly, leaving nothing but a chilling bureaucratic continuity."
decimation: the vaguest precedent or bureaucratic ruling sews that business up
decimation: it's even easier to steal 'having imaginary things been stolen from'
asciilifeform: (they don't weigh much, can be carried right through walls!)
asciilifeform: very easy to steal imaginary things
ben_vulpes: rentiers are extracting all of the "productivity" gains.
decimation: yarvin wrote about this pattern in the policy side of usg as the smartest bureaucrats exactly cancelling each other's efforts
ben_vulpes: re previous thread: "profits of 1% on revenues of 1 billion! we're rich!"
asciilifeform: folks like to talk about 'printed' this and that, but the actual hard data on the ground are considerably more optimistic for classical problems like 'lead to gold', 'elixir of immortality', and 'energy too cheap to meter' than for desktop chip-fab.
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async << this reeks of "let's bring js to cl"
asciilifeform: the world of 1985, where there were a thousand ~state-of-the-art~ chip fabs, under two+ separate civilizational systems, and running perhaps a dozen ~entirely independently developed~ toolchains - isn't coming back ☟︎☟︎