nubbins`: which worked out, in practice, to ~20%
nubbins`: 12% provincial tax, 7% federal
nubbins`: some provinces have no provincial sales tax
nubbins`: but that describes almost every pensioner in north america :D
nubbins`: all payments or just the interest portion?
gernika: I will be negotiating the CPI (joke that it is) into my next contract.
nubbins`: i bet you have to pay capital gains tax when you sell it too
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assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 01:41:27; trinque: I took an adderall xr once and had an utterly terrible night, took notes on my entire calculus book
gernika: Never understood the mortgage interest tax credit. Seems like houses will just ... cost more.
nubbins`: houses will cost more, in general, until they don't.
nubbins`: interesting tidbit, i live in downtown st. john's, which happens to mostly consist of wooden row houses
nubbins`: underwriter dropped my whole neighbourhood and we had to find a new one :0
assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 05:38:59; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Adlai your transliteration broke my (online) translation skillz !
nubbins`: gernika: because it's a tinderbox?
nubbins`: all those stone pillars you see are chimneys from houses that burned down
decimation: "retired Navy Capt. Charles Stimson told Stars and Stripes. “I know JAGs (military lawyers), nurses, typists, legal clerks in the military who have never fired a weapon in their lives.”"
gernika: ah ok - close proximity + wood got it
nubbins`: so even though the fire station is so close to my house that i can hear the calls come in
nubbins`: it's almost impossible to get insurance
decimation: asciilifeform: usg should drop all income and gains taxes and only tax consumption
nubbins`: any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home?
☟︎ decimation: on the theory that those with actual wealth should only volunteer to pay tax
decimation: maybe find an independent insurance agent
decimation: I had good luck with one here in the us
nubbins`: none of the majors would even give me a quote
nubbins`: <+gernika> ah ok - close proximity + wood got it
decimation: plenty of homes are made of wood in close proximity
nubbins`: most of the houses are 80-100 years old too
nubbins`: plenty of hidden roofs, double walls, etc
nubbins`: not at all unusual to chop a roof hole in a structure fire and find another completely rotting roof underneath
nubbins`: i had my shingles redone 3 years ago and they found FOUR LAYERS of shingles underneath the top one. The supporting wood was dust
decimation: I donno, seems pretty much like most older city blocks
nubbins`: pulling 2x4s in half with bare hands, etc
nubbins`: generally no firewalls between houses either
nubbins`: not that a firewall would prevent the flames from setting your roof on fire.
decimation: that is probably a big reason I would think
decimation: my understanding is that modern 'multi-family' housing typically includes 'fire clips' that ensure that a particular burning building collapses on itself
decimation: on the theory that it's better for the others
nubbins`: here's a government report from 2006
nubbins`: One gentleman from downtown St. John’s wrote to the Consumer Advocate:
nubbins`: “In November 2004 the house insurance dramatically escalated from $552.00 to $1,315.60. The municipal appraisal was constant. The insurance brokers advised me that it was almost impossible to obtain insurance for a downtown, partially attached house. They advised that the new rate was the best they could obtain. I personally telephoned two other insurance companies in St. John’s. In each call I was immediately asked the location of the
nubbins`: Upon responding I was promptly told that the company would not even entertain my request due to location. I therefore was forced to accept the $763 increase.”
decimation: asciilifeform: I saw the clips with my own eyes, made of shit metal that melts at low temps
decimation: asciilifeform: oh lordy don't tell me you're a 'truther'?
nubbins`: "Another couple from St. John’s advised the Consumer Advocate that, despite numerous attempts, they had not been able to obtain insurance at any cost for the past four and a half years on their attached King’s Bridge Road property."
nubbins`: not able to purchase fire insurance
nubbins`: "IBAN confirmed that homeowners in the St. John’s downtown area have experienced difficulty in finding insurance coverage in the past. The reasons for this difficulty are the high concentrations of wood frame structures with varying type of occupancy and differing physical conditions."
nubbins`: translation: too many slums and boarding houses
nubbins`: wow, says here installing a woodstove would double my premium
nubbins`: i came up here 40 minutes ago to roll a jazz cig
nubbins`: cazalla people tend to bump up the saturation in photos but it really does look like that
nubbins`: my house is just past the green spire in top left of frame
cazalla: hard to imagine everyone agreed to it, was forced?
nubbins`: in 1982 the pope came here and the gov gave everybody $$ to paint their houses
nubbins`: Shane O’Dea, an expert on architectural heritage and historic preservation, said the idea of fancy window and door trim, and brightly-painted houses was born in 1977. In fact, the idea can be traced to one man, David Webber, the foundation’s executive director. In that year, the foundation took on a demonstration project by painting a sample block in bright colours, from Willicott’s Lane to Victoria Street, on both sides of the street.
nubbins`: ^ before this happened, most houses were painted with leftover marine paint from boats
nubbins`: now it's just a thing people do. i have a friend who painted his house neon green
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cazalla: too exotic for my likings but i can see how it would appeal to creative types
nubbins`: yellow 123 is getting pretty popular these days
cazalla: our master bedroom is pink (forget the name of the colour) and that is about enough for me heh
nubbins`: sorry, i'm just using pantone numbers
nubbins`: some of them are burned into my brain
cazalla: yellow123 looks a nice yellow
nubbins`: #fdc82f for you hex colour types
nubbins`: yellow 123 is like the blue 072 of yellows.
cazalla: ill write that yellow down for when i paint son's room
cazalla: is that the blue facebook colour?
nubbins`: blue 072 is one of the 14 pantone base colours
nubbins`: with which all others (incl. yellow 123) can be mixed
nubbins`: here's a diagram some may find interesting
nubbins`: the large coloured shape is the colour space of a standard human eye
nubbins`: the area inside the yellow triangle can be reproduced via sRGB (i.e. on your computer screen)
nubbins`: the area inside the pink blob can be reproduced via CMYK (i.e. printed products)
nubbins`: the black dots are the ~1,200 colours in the pantone matching system
cazalla: on a scale of 1-10 such knowledge of colours interests me 0 but i can respect the enthusiasm and knowledge :)
nubbins`: cazalla, having a pantone book is like having a suitcase full of vials with "essence of ____" written on the labels
nubbins`: each one smelling of old leather, rustic tobacco, strawberry, green mould, etc
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cazalla: i bet you're the guy who steals all the paint swatches from the hardware store :P
nubbins`: nah, can't pantone match em ;)
cazalla: nubbins`, copics actually any good? missus has truckloads for some reason
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nubbins`: not my thing but from what i hear, yeah
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decimation: Dave Vos, who heads Google’s secretive Project Wing, told Bloomberg News in his most expansive comments on Google’s vision to date. “The idea being that it’s not ‘Google is going to go out and build a solution and everyone else has to subscribe to it.’ The idea really is anyone should be free to build a solution.”
decimation: translation: we will crush anyone who attempts to enter this space
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trinque: felipelalli: lol, looks like I need to make that regex greedy
trinque: I'll fix that then run your thing back through
trinque: "yo dawg, I heard you like gpg..."
trinque: felipelalli: second signature got hacked off when it posted
trinque: no one could have ever forseen a signed message inside a signed message, you see!
trinque: felipelalli: second sig is gone
trinque: felipelalli: nah, muh regex is derped
trinque: I'll fix it this evening and send your thing back through
felipelalli: thank you very much. Actually you can ignore this. This was just the proposal contract, not the final yet.
trinque: eh I'll still send it through as a test case then
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decimation: I considered building something like that myself
decimation: of course wapo thinks it's an evil idea, but perfectly fine for usg/telcoms to do it
decimation: obviously this kind of thing is going to slowly expand to be 'normal' in almost all situations
mats: time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look
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cazalla: this is probably common to every library now but i look at the melbourne public library's website and notice they have ebooks available for loan.. go to loan ebook but can't because someone else has it out on loan and they only have 1 copy available
decimation: cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever?
☟︎ cazalla: someone somewhere must be making a killing off such a scheme
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cazalla: i figured the loan button was just another way of saying download, should've known better
decimation: yes, it's certainly the case that your tax dollars are going to some kind of 'authors collective'
cazalla: trying to suss out if they charge late fees on ebooks now
decimation: I thought most of those 'ebook lending schemes' worked on some kind of time-based poison pill
decimation: asciilifeform: what annoys me even more is that the selection of 'lendable ebooks' is complete shit
decimation: usually throwaway fiction, never worthwhile technical books
decimation: you would think they could at least serve up google's copy of pre-1923 books
decimation: so the proles could read the victorians lamenting their future dumb asses
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:30:44; mats: time to bring back the hoodie and aviator sunglasses look
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decimation: ^ all biometrics fall to similar kinds of sybil attacks
cazalla: asciilifeform, seems an obvious prediction in hindsight.. i guess i should step inside the library more often
decimation: cazalla: the problem is that most american libraries have gotten rid of their physical books
cazalla: i called them up regarding the late fees and no, no late fees on an ebook, librarian told me without prompting that they don't support the kindle either
cazalla: well, software developed by that company anyway
cazalla: "The company's global network includes more than 27,000 libraries and schools."
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, either they think they can't 'reach that market' or they are dumber than the average prole
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I find youtube to be an interesting case here
decimation: many otherwise strict copyrasts load up youtube with their warez (where they are easily copied)
decimation: they can't help themselves because 'think of the publicity!'
decimation: yeah, there's a tacit agreement - you can copy our stuff but only we can sell it
decimation: actually what I find far more offensive than pablum-slinging are the academic publisher fiefs
decimation: sure, but they use their exalted position to keep out those who don't have 'notes from stalin'
decimation: generally the crown, or one of its organs
decimation: they kinda made a halfass derp in that direction
decimation: but it has enough loopholes to not make a difference
decimation: yeah, the plebes are kept out merely as a side effect of the gorging
decimation: because if the shoe-shine boy could get in on the racket it's already blown its load
decimation: as for 'sheeple' - you of course realize how thin the shadow of an implication of a threat you would need to make for a tenure-hopeful to be thrown into near-suicidal doubt
decimation: yeah, like the 'gold rushers' of yore, the folks who got rich were the middlemen
decimation: yeah, the miners were not known for actually holding gold
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I was thinking about how one could buy otherwise useless land in the desert, get usg to subsidize solar, and sell space in a 'miner's datacenter'
decimation: I guess the 'bitcoin core' devs and their patrons are regrouping
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assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 20:58:09; ascii_field: i.e. if there is anyone here with a linux box on which any of the bins built thus far fail to run, something is very very wrong
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2015#1212302 << taxation is first and foremost a political activity. it is an economic activity as a very distant second. the noton that "it'd ok because we;re doing productive milking" misses the point by about the same berth as the notion that "it's ok, we don't need guns because we got money". this is simply not how the car works.
☝︎☟︎ assbot: Logged on 24-07-2015 23:59:48; asciilifeform: usg has a firm grasp on milking the real feed base - the low-six-fig-usd artisan
mircea_popescu: it is a much stronger state that which taxes everyone, no matter how little, than the one which mostly doesn't tax, but gets "more money". the money it gets are worthless to it
mircea_popescu: which point should readily explain why it costs the chinese nothing to make missiles and the usians can't afford to make a plane.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 00:19:48; nubbins`: any home owners in here wanna share their annual insurance premium, as a percentage of the value of their home?
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cazalla: well, that'd be the rest of the sambuca gone.. result is muh monitor is looking like it is placed a couple metres away and is like 50m wide
cazalla: bingoboingo not around so must assume he is out banging black strippers
cazalla: ;;later tell bingoboingo i don't mind the darker complection but hope you tripple wrapping that shit brudda
cazalla: whiteman wonka keeps em down shinohai
cazalla: fkn sambuca, should'va stuck to soap bar, cause soap bar lastrs cause its fkn consistent
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.alt072.1:f08f7ddcbe375259c7186e524a39b3bd176d7d528d39fa50f347d14194f9eaaa
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for alt072 with note: New Eulorian
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what happened to your body guard anyway.. took bullet? jumped on grenade? retired?
☟︎ cazalla: in this house, we make pizza base from scratch mother fucker
gribble: Current Blocks: 366927 | Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 | Next Difficulty In: 2000 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941
mats: gribble is still stuck
cazalla: gribble be stuck since mid 2014 iirc
cazalla: zzzz preserve your memories, they're all thats left you
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jurov: mircea_popescu: pls mpex withdraw
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 00:47:17; nubbins`: now it's just a thing people do. i have a friend who painted his house neon green
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-07-2015#1212471 << more like, only path to survival for google. they don't have an actual place in the marketplace, they're much too large, old and ossified to find one. if they don't pull a redhat/mcdonalds/walmart/whatever and screw themselves in the usg spigot, they're going the way of revlon.
☝︎ shinohai: Oh gawd, Miami was much the same last time I was there.
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:08:44; decimation: translation: we will crush anyone who attempts to enter this space
mircea_popescu: " how nerds around the world are trying to silence violent ISIS terrorist propaganda."
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 02:49:08; decimation: cazalla: doesn't that strike you as the dumbest thing ever?
assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 03:00:14; asciilifeform: last thing the 'ebook' racket wants is an infinite fountain of free.
mircea_popescu: but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 03:40:11; asciilifeform: making list of whose packets to drop must be hard wurk
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assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 17:34:50; mircea_popescu: but to whosoever struggles to understand my outright rejection of pdfs : think moar. same stupid shit, the ebook of the 90s.
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mats: literally worse than AIDS
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ben_vulpes: today we irc from the maternal care clinic!
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shinohai: Que hay de bueno ben_vulpes, y que haces en una clinica?
ben_vulpes: taking care of the girl. kidney/bladder mystery.
shinohai: Sorry to hear that. I had surgery for a kidney stone years ago, and it was no picnic
ben_vulpes: girl says "watch the tests come back and the nurses struggle to say 'you're a weenie, pregnancy hurts, there's nothing wrong with you go home' politely"
trinque: well at least it'll put her mind off it if so
ben_vulpes: in other news, it's raining for the first time in...weeks? months? in portland.
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assbot: Logged on 25-07-2015 15:23:37; cazalla: mircea_popescu, what happened to your body guard anyway.. took bullet? jumped on grenade? retired?
mircea_popescu: point being, they're all the same thing, aka a pdf : an attempt to encapsulate text into some sort of blob.
mircea_popescu: whatever the pretext : so it's "easier to print", so it "can be handled by tabled", what have you, it's an abuse of text
mircea_popescu: the POINT of text is that everyone fucks with its bits.
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shinohai: @ ben_vulpes are you still around ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1k digits/modulus means that most keys are actually 4kb huh
jurov: i thought average human is hermaphrodit
shinohai: Well, I guess you are sorta right jurov
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ben_vulpes: related to above, when and how was the reward halving bug discovered?
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