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decimation: yeah it's a good point. gold is double-edged because it's the thing everyone else is warehousing
mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, during THAT EXACT INTERVAL, this set of 10-20 metals did EXACTLY what they had hoped their dead horse would do.
mircea_popescu: my concern was more cultural, so to speak. here are these dudes, maybe 100k of them, all heads counted. they're mostly over 50 white men, who have for 30 years been buying and hoping.
decimation: if you are going with industrial usefuless, palladium or pt are also good metals to hold
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing << Turns out lots are easy to make already, start a wood fire.
mircea_popescu: but in all fairness this thing, while in principle promising, is mroe than a few tweaks away.
decimation: yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. i always thought all the work in fine graphite fibers is really intended to do this, eventually.
mircea_popescu: this "from the clouds down" approach... who cares about "the entire world", srsly ?
decimation: it's the only technology that (mostly) exists that could possibly give a 'european' level of energy use to the entire world
mircea_popescu: but yes, perhaps getting there.
mircea_popescu: the x per day bla bla figure is spurious. obviously there's a shitton of energy there. the problem is we don't yet have the filters.
decimation: he's point is that you could suply 420 kWh per day per person in the entire world if you mined oceanic uranium and used fast breeders to maximally extract energy from it
assbot: Ch 24 Page 164: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBynV6 )
decimation: because of this chart: http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_164.shtml
mircea_popescu: i thought you wanted it made the only way we know how to create elements atm.
mircea_popescu: that's all i was saying really. making your own rare metals may work, but it won't be this century. ☟︎
decimation: I was pointing out that if you are gonna such halfnium from seawater, might as well get some U too
decimation: ah yes that's a different matter
mircea_popescu: that's what i was answering to.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea was that somehow you create the hafnium you use in your laptop through a fission process that happened during your lifetime.
mircea_popescu: 4kb times better off, to be specific.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
decimation: sure, but meanwhile all waste products are captured rather than being dumped into the atmosphere
mircea_popescu: but it boils down to the simple fact that if you're a mile away your share of the sphere surface is tiny, whereas if you're surrounding the item, your share's 100%. distance is a much better insulator than mass, because distance goes into the formula ^3. and consequently you're better off a mile away from a ton's worth of criticality than with a gram of the stuff in your colon.
mircea_popescu: (i have the math done on the difference between being exposed to a meltdown outside and being exposed to ingested material, if the obvious difference's aren't obvious i can dig it up)
mircea_popescu: fission may well be the safest method of electricity production. that's not in discussion. a large part of WHY it is the safest involves not sticking bits of a reactor core inside you.
assbot: Ch 24 Page 168: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBxeNw )
decimation: http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_168.shtml < figure 24.11 shows death rates of electricity generation technologies
mircea_popescu: but i will note for jurov's benefit exactly what the differences are between his great friend to the east and his great friend to the west.
mircea_popescu: at least a dozen people died the first week.
mircea_popescu: is this a rehash of the entire russian song and dance about how "nobody died at chernobyl" ?
decimation: fission is by far the safest method of electricity production
mircea_popescu: well in this case the reasons seem to be more like, "because it will kill you painfully."
decimation: yeah, it's one of those 'we could safely use nuclear to supply electricty to everyone but we don't because reasons' situation
mircea_popescu: i doubt you'll ever be able to put up your gf's butt something that was inside a reactor core during your lifetime.
mircea_popescu: the trawlers that pretty much took all the fish, 1965-2015 can be refurbished to suck out the rare earths too, 2015-2065.
mircea_popescu: yes. the fact that they can't currently be extracted efficiently from electronics scrap speaks volumes.
decimation: well, the us has lots of experience with blotted landscapes due to mining
decimation: the challenge with rare earths isn't finding them or digging them up, it's sorting them and processing them
mircea_popescu: it is actually not unreasonable to overspend on sustainability when building a mine.
decimation: it looks like it was built to golden toilet standards, it'll be interesting to see how profitable it is
decimation: you can watch the california rare earth mine in operation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8hDUT5nHQ&list=UU96FUEp85Kk0PdKd9hp8jww
mircea_popescu: decimation soon to come to a strip mine/mall near you!
mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal. ☟︎
decimation: it seems the chinese approach is working out better for both parties
decimation: yarvin pointed out the amusing contrast between the us wanting to de-africanize africa and the chinese wanting to take its minerals
mircea_popescu: nobody yet wanted to be africa and failed to get its wish.
mircea_popescu: but his much more important failures when trying to preserve soime sort of future for that country get ignored throughout.
mircea_popescu: iirc obama even whined at the wtc about china rare earth policy
mircea_popescu: and you simply can't beat a value proposition like "either have europium or not be able to display the color red - it's that simple".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile every time china cuts quotas, the futures go into 10x explosions.
decimation: apparently palladium coated copper is used too
mircea_popescu: it's just not a bottleneck atm. sure, maybe it will become. who knew, in the 60s, that mountain pass thing in pasadena would be the most strategically important place in all the us.
decimation: silver too
decimation: yeah you can use aluminium to bond wires
decimation: yes, this is true. you need a supply of gold for electronics certainly, but it need not be huge
mircea_popescu: those are the two main things.
mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?) ☟︎
decimation: silver is pointless as a monetary metal - too common with too many reserves
mircea_popescu: europium phosphates for instance are still to this day the only way to get a decent red.
mircea_popescu: (brazil and australia pretty much own the known hf supply atm). in any case, pretty fucking weird that goldbugs and silverheads still insist with their "precious" metals. they're useless. pm freaks of 2015 really should collect hf. cerium. lanthanum. europium. etc.
mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: prolly hafnium oxide, which should make the world situation ever more interesting.
mircea_popescu: oh this is resistive memory. ☟︎
kakobrekla: good part seems to be that you can manipulate a single bit unlike flash.
mircea_popescu: only real clue being the "non volatile" part
mircea_popescu: good for 'em... i wonder if this is the glass thing being discussed for the past year
kakobrekla: dunno but apparently they have working wafers
mircea_popescu: i thought it was built from the clouds down, honestly.
mircea_popescu: i mean what the shit is this even.
mircea_popescu: "Following more than a decade of research and development, 3D XPoint technology was built from the ground up to address the need for non-volatile, high-performance, high-endurance and high-capacity storage and memory at an affordable cost."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla interesting. tho i don't get enough from that article to figure out how the fuck it'd work
mircea_popescu: bwaha jurov that kicks ass
shinohai: I usually ignore/skip things to do with eulora. Only began to take an interest recently and started to search logs.
Adlai: no, you're retarted for not reading the logs
shinohai: I'm so retarded. I shulda known there was a dedi chan
chetty: shinohai, join the #eulora chan, best ask folks with experience so far :)
shinohai: I am going to need a dedicated box if I intend to play Eulora. Any suggestions?
PabloEscobar: how is the syntax for registering ?
shinohai: well punkman i know he has to get into wot
punkman: shinohai: it doesn't work like that
Anonym0us: someone has this nick :/
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 22:04:44; asciilifeform: drm glasses << http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 (scroll down to story)
Adlai: someday even alf will be able to play eulora on his http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2014#927000 ☝︎
assbot: Intel and Micron Produce Breakthrough Memory Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1DgyGVd )
kakobrekla: was this posted before? transistorless memory coming up supposedly; http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology
assbot: Crypto activists announce vision for Tor exit relay in every library | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dguuow )
shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/crypto-activists-announce-vision-for-tor-exit-relay-in-every-library/ <<< yeah, let's encourage people to use a tor node located in a place that are generally funded by guv'ments.
shinohai: kudos BingoBoingo for being prolific on qntra this week, I have had plenty to read.
BingoBoingo: Oh and Qntra is now at 707 posts. It is now the biggest place a nuclear reactor housing can be expected to survive.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Just one in common that I know of.
cazalla: same mods there as /r/bitcoin BingoBoingo?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your qntra piece contains mistake. 80000 sufficed for all of three minutes.
BingoBoingo: OBSD does the probably placebo ASLR thing for better or worse
BingoBoingo: With the rest of my stuff running atm I'm almose using 1/3 of my RAM for the first time since I've moved to OpenBSD
scoopbot_revived: New Per Block Transaction Highs Wedge Some Nodes: Patch Available http://qntra.net/2015/08/new-per-block-transaction-highs-wedge-some-nodes-patch-available/
BingoBoingo: up to 989.4 MB so well within the pre-patching wiggle room.
mircea_popescu: but bdb has come to expect!