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Framedragger: (transparent about the fact that hosting resource expectations are preliminary.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asking for advice - should i include a note that should additional hosting resources be needed during the 12 month period, an additional grant (it'd include supporting data of course) may be sought? just to be transparent?
Framedragger: it's nice to be able to have a virtual box for cheapsies - can be migrated to bare metal when the time comes.
Framedragger: yeah, that i know. well, it's not needed for now, so, ok
Framedragger: also, i take it S.BISP is not currently offering services? :)
Framedragger: (also, my initial plan was to ask for a month as i can't predict with absolute certainty actual resource requirements. but i think i have a decent picture of what's needed.)
Framedragger: (if not, i still want to do it, so will prolly still do it.)
Framedragger: i was wondering, would S.SNA (or whatever entity) be able to pay for a VPS? 9.6 EUR / mo., payment monthly, my VPS accepts bitcoin.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i plan to set up a "phuctor results investigation dashboard". (iirc trinque or someone planned to do sth of the kind, but since this overlaps with the "check distinct banner amounts etc", i may as well do it properly). nothing fancy so as to keep it actually deliverable, but i have a plan.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, ok - i guess my point was that it'd be very horrible, but i suppose the chief horror is in the learned-unthinking-ness of masses. the rest is just aftereffects
Framedragger: (and i'm scared, and i should be scared; etc.)
Framedragger: (and the common man will just have found more tools to assfuck himself with.)
Framedragger: and if that happens, we will have but our laziness to blame.
Framedragger: a working computer *may* just not be available in the future, i do believe that fully. not to go all cliche dystopian, but neural implants based on Secure Microsoft Quantum Encryption(R) and the likes may be what people use to "compute" in the future
Framedragger: i don't knot about the "*only*" viable alternative. you yourself mentioned some time ago that it's perfectly normal for other intelligent peeps to have their own WoT networks (which are not connected to tmsr WoT).
Framedragger: (also, if there was one tv series you may want to watch, it'd be "black mirror". i watched their "christmas special" ("white christmas") yesterday, and somehow on an emotional level it made me feel easier about not having much hope in the "populace". the smarter the technological tools that the populace gets to play with, the more they fuck themselves and others up.)
Framedragger: strangely i can't object to this. ("spent too much time here"). yeah, ok.
Framedragger: (i wonder if there is a retribution/psychological component to this. but maybe not.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm. okay, i guess i get that this implies a wholly different approach.
Framedragger: !~later tell gabriel_laddel fd at mkj dot lt , gpg fingerprint E2DF 986D 58A0 D387 6BA1 65FA CC05 10AA FD8A F4B7
Framedragger: (mandatory framedragger sob about reckless spending of btc back in 2012... :( )
☟︎ Framedragger just got email from kraken "Security Advisory: Mobile Phones" wherein it says that, you know, wait, your mobile phone is actually not a super secure device. maybe be more careful. lols
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: it is actually nice to consider that all that paypal moneys i received for bitcoin in -otc were not chargeback'd. it's a nice feeling. but i suppose that's chiefly because 1) i hadn't done that many transactions, and 2) amounts were low...
Framedragger: (oh wait, it doesn't actually mention daddy. will fix.)
Framedragger: well my bot at least tells you whose its daddy if you /msg scriba help :p
Framedragger: i proposed. bot for bots. up the metastack we go
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, those logs are instructive. much thanks
Framedragger: ohyeeeeah. shitty mod. no disagreement there. right.
Framedragger: ah - was the latter the whole story? if so, fair enough. stateful vs stateless, right?
Framedragger: by "much in touch" i meant, didn't spend time on bitcoin-otc
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: btw, i later wasn't much in touch and didn't follow your fallout with nanotube much. maybe there's a trilema article tho?..
Framedragger: !!v 84F754743ECF4BBE14AD17AAA02AFE60E2C85E8A7C587FC6B090FC3E1CA13FFD
Framedragger: i'm trying to recall, was he a grammar nazi a bit?
Framedragger: bitcoin-otc paypal dealings aplenty and all that
Framedragger: !!rate mircea_popescu 4 Look, I haven't made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i checked when gpg keys were registered
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: currently UK. originally from LT. will prob be in latter during summer
Framedragger: invoicing system would help here, too, aaand chicken and egg
Framedragger: speaking of which, *of course* there's no working WoT visualizer right nao, right? ...
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well you did rate me "old timer" at first :p
Framedragger: interestingly, i believe that i first discovered this insane asylum by reading loper-os (presumably same as gabriel_laddel). it appealed to me straight away because i could relate on a purely technical level (inasmuch as a youngling can 'relate', etc.) [also, registered nanotube's WoT key before mircea_popescu muaha]
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570161 << i actually hate it that the emotional intensity of my frustration was much reduced by this timing! on the constructive side of things... how can one, well, streamline this? "we have the technology!!" maybe more loper-os / trilema education/outreach.. :)
☝︎ Framedragger: " Achievements Identified and prototyped the first realistic solution to the education problem. " << nice
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is nice and all, but sounds too romanticized for my tastes. "be practical, get a gpg key on a machine that *is* connected to the net, and *later* get a proper one" is imho a sane approach at this point in time.
Framedragger: i guess #trilema helps with bootstrapping the WoT, so there's that
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: why did you take gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html offline (just curious)? (it's still in google cache.) decided it'd be not as easy to commercialize? :p
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: get a second point and draw a line, even
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i hear ya, i'm interested to take a peek at the thing, tho.
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: you need an ssh account on a vps?
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: fd at mkj dot lt , gpg fingerprint E2DF 986D 58A0 D387 6BA1 65FA CC05 10AA FD8A F4B7
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you?
☟︎ Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: possible to ship x220's to US for you? not that i'm committing as of now. there are nice refurbished ones here in UK
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: also, apologies for not checking logs. the question naturally springs to mind, so to speak
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ties into (naive or not) hawala discussions, i guess...
Framedragger: trinque's invoice thing may come useful. but then, there's more space to bridge, such as the vast gap between person who wants to buy useful item and person spending coins from trb so can pay invoice....