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mircea_popescu: can we carry this discussion in practical terms ?
asciilifeform: because the comms have to be private and authenticated. and these concepts have no meaning when dealing with unknowns.
asciilifeform: it has to run like normal wot.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 00:51:09; mircea_popescu: to make sure : your notion of "paying" includes "peers that relay txn that are worthy of going in our pool", correct ?
asciilifeform: momentarily back to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222828 : at this point i very much regard the notion of 'so-and-so is an ip, and at this moment he is Worthy, and now let's try to calculate when he isn't...' as deeply mistaken. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: pretty much every amateur thinker / world saver captive in english as his sole language would benefit immensely from reading balzac. whereas the clueful might really enjoy the elegant display he makes of things.
mircea_popescu: it's quite simple : if you're old but somehow "owner", you will get so fucking raped you'll deplore the protections of that "ownership".
mircea_popescu: he also has an excellent depiction of the exact mechanics of inheritance in eugenie grandet
mircea_popescu: the casual, obvious manner in which he treats this otherwise subtle point really stuck with me. 1800s! man got it.
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reason.
mircea_popescu: one of them dominates, but takes care the other one (some widow, buncha incompetent losers) doesn't outright go out of business
mircea_popescu: anyway, he has a story about doesn't matter what, in which the setting is that two groups have licenses to print newspapers in some small town
asciilifeform: though iirc there is one in my queue
mircea_popescu: you doin't actually want to kill.
asciilifeform: converse of this is that weak position enemy ~does~ invest in, means death.
mircea_popescu: the most important point of military strategy is that a weak position which the enemy doesn't invest is not really weak in any sense. this is the meaning of napoleon's "never interrupt"
asciilifeform: this has to die.
asciilifeform: the problem i ~would~ like to solve near-term is 'node demands infinite ram'
asciilifeform: that's sorta what i was doing in the hammock
mircea_popescu: have a special, encrypted protocol. fix the "magic hole" issue too
asciilifeform: the buggerz already have infrastructure set up for diddling bitcoin net, all they gotta do now is drop in shit tx
asciilifeform: because it remains unspecified how to implement any notion of 'peers that bring good tx'
asciilifeform: leaving this conundrum aside
mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with this incentive ?
mircea_popescu: to make sure : your notion of "paying" includes "peers that relay txn that are worthy of going in our pool", correct ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: if we feed the hobos the pigshit end of the priority queue, they simply have an incentive to run away to any other node
asciilifeform: and the overall friction of their presence is a permanent irritant
asciilifeform: where hobos 'come to expect'
asciilifeform: whereas if you feed the hobos when paying folks aren't bidding, you get essentially same situation as fees
mircea_popescu: of course it could fed the discarded txn
asciilifeform: (right now this would have the effect of essentially unplugging my node)
asciilifeform: if nothing, how to ramp up?
asciilifeform: was in a hammock for some hours earlier, thinking about only this.
mircea_popescu: it's not a trivial question
mircea_popescu: i have been thinking about it.
asciilifeform: well, and one other thing - what does payware node feed non-payers ?
mircea_popescu: looky : there are parts where we may... ever so slightly... deviate.
asciilifeform: whole point of this conversation is that i wanted to say this
mircea_popescu: i specifically chose to ignore this.
asciilifeform: which is odd, does not correspond to the formula given
mircea_popescu: course this is mining priority neh ?
asciilifeform: sum(valuein * age) / txsize
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: earlier and recurrent mempool thread: consider this: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2776
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fk3p9/a_single_political_entity_effectively_has_57 << philippino up the thread, naturally
hanbot: sounds like what asciilifeform was talking about.
kakobrekla: 'Furthermore, the final program did not work reliably when it was loaded onto other FPGAs of the same type.' < fun
kakobrekla: It seems that evolution had not merely selected the best code for the task, it had also advocated those programs which took advantage of the electromagnetic quirks of that specific microchip environment. The five separate logic cells were clearly crucial to the chip’s operation, but they were interacting with the main circuitry through some unorthodox method < heh
mircea_popescu: off to eat bbl
asciilifeform: 'what did the future ever do for me' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: the reason you can not see the substance of the future should be apparent.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the future.
asciilifeform: i see no glue, thus far. only the utterance.
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking magic, yo. utterance is not the glue that makes it stick.
asciilifeform: these words are uttered, yes, today. by childrenz who 'code' php...
mircea_popescu: perhaps this is the next one.
mircea_popescu: but it goes all the way to the fucking celts, you knoiw, "you never had iron tools. everything you say, and everything you think you mean or stand for is therefore invalid"
asciilifeform: same result, but many more takers for the latter than the former.
mircea_popescu: and it stands. no man can look you in the face past that, for he's a sort of a toy.
asciilifeform: as for the deliberate alt, it is somewhat like the ancient discussion about whether one would rather be 'scanned in' and shot and ~then~ replaced by the robot running the sim, or to have a neuron at a time replaced with electric one
mircea_popescu: for kids born in the 80s when talking to their parents it's "shut the fuck up, you fucked women in a single hole your entire life"
mircea_popescu: every generation has this, an overpowering, indomitable reason why the previous one fails to matter.
asciilifeform: and they all have appendicitis.
scoopbot_revived: The very very jealous with envy thing, part deux. http://trilema.com/2015/the-very-very-jealous-with-envy-thing-part-deux/
mircea_popescu: "hurts nothing and too hard to take out"
mircea_popescu: but that aside, naggum's via alf point re complexity being usually and generally as a safe bet the result of someone missing the thinkboat certainly stands resplendent on its own feet.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 22:11:06; asciilifeform: jurov: his position, if you recall, is that we are more or less stuck with the turds forever.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222669 << the problem is this : you have to verify old blocks. all of them, al lthe way to genesis. if you do not, for whatever reason, you are on an alt. and if you're going to make an alt, better make it properly and deliberately rather than the idiot woman "i had too much too drink so things happened" approach. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: eulora is suddenly more advanced than the state of new york.
mircea_popescu: if jurov finally gets a proper chat system built in, and we have a chat bot that does auction lists etc...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222651 << total win. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: hey midnightmagic ask me things about things will you.
mircea_popescu: heh Luke-Jr fighting a loser's battle with his "bitcoin core" matters twu faith.
mircea_popescu: or 120k of the romanian lei of the time. 50 or so salaries.
assbot: The complexity of life, a triad on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZbV9r )
mircea_popescu: contemptible with the pyramids.
kakobrekla: compatible with the pyramids or what was it
kakobrekla: The BIOS in many personal computers stores the date and time in BCD because the MC6818 real-time clock chip used in the original IBM PC AT motherboard provided the time encoded in BCD. < heh
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:07:33; mircea_popescu: look. whatever whatever may be built as or not, i have two basic expectations. one is, for fucking machinery to behave the same way from night to next evening. the other, albeit weaker, is that if i get a "minimal work" thing i actually have to do minimal work.
asciilifeform: the fact that there is no standardized chipset, and that x86 is really a loose collection of mostly-incompatible shitboxes that somehow pretend to run the same soft - matters.
asciilifeform: the fact that x86 cpu has idiot ibm-mandated instructions for doing binary-coded-decimal - MATTERS
asciilifeform: is the fundamental lie.
asciilifeform: the notion that it doesn't, that it doesn't matter whether bootloader is six bytes of liquid shit heavier,
asciilifeform: and this shit adds up
asciilifeform: and cut&paste, because 'people have come to expect'
asciilifeform: much of this crud is quite like satoshi's 'critical sections'
asciilifeform: yet it is in EVERY MOTHERFUCKING BOOTLOADER on the planet
asciilifeform: for instance, the 'a20 gate' is almost certainly not actually implemented in your chipset ☟︎
asciilifeform: even if you took 'operating systems' at uni
asciilifeform: can you tell me which lines are actually necessary ?
asciilifeform: read the src to linux's bootloader some time
punkman: Ada on bare metal then?
asciilifeform: but that winblowz makes the kind of certainty needed to avoid the 'grasping for the handrails' described earlier, impossible
asciilifeform: my point, incidentally, was not that satoshi was a tard (though it may be)
asciilifeform: (leading to a lifelong phobia of that key on the keyboard)
asciilifeform: it is a result of the kind of cargocultism driven by justified and maniacal fear that leads, e.g., c programmers to pepper their code with redundant parenthesis
punkman: clearly not understood considering the number of results in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/search?q=deadlock&type=Issues
asciilifeform: or are they something else.
asciilifeform: who had a machine for which this claim could be made, even in principle ?
asciilifeform: are those the work of a fella who truly, deeply understood what the machine is doing?
asciilifeform: observe the 'CRITICAL_SECTION' turds in bitcoind