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mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
asciilifeform ought to have remembered this.
mircea_popescu: ie, two and a half.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
asciilifeform: (similar to how 'bitnodes' does)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227572 < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article" ☝︎
asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing
asciilifeform: that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~
asciilifeform: could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked
mircea_popescu: not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.
asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest !
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: one can always 'eatblock' the thing.
mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
mircea_popescu: in fact they are exactly iudentical.
mircea_popescu: neither is a torrented blockchain
shinohai: mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?
asciilifeform: anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.
asciilifeform: but that's lame
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before.
shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.
mircea_popescu: maybe rsync the bdb
asciilifeform: on this box
asciilifeform: punkman: the wallet has never been fired
asciilifeform: aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag
mircea_popescu: that'll take a while.
asciilifeform: better than fr ?
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
asciilifeform: (suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes)
asciilifeform: i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test
mircea_popescu: this doesn't preclude the foregoing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?
asciilifeform: could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM
mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
asciilifeform: i formerly thought this, also
mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
asciilifeform: everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing
asciilifeform: or else why talking
asciilifeform: i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ?
asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): No route to host
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed
mircea_popescu: i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227430 << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i wonder why that is.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now" ☝︎
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assbot: Tokyo Court: Bitcoin Not Subject to Ownership ... ( http://bit.ly/1eUYOco )
kakobrekla: i think you need raw
kakobrekla: ;;isup trilema.com
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226593 <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick
assbot: Southland Tales - funny car commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSosuJ )
BingoBoingo: And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now
BingoBoingo: The Humungus rules the Wasteland
BingoBoingo: Lord Humungus sets the terms
decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
asciilifeform: granted, this could take a while.
asciilifeform: the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;
asciilifeform: 'this one takes ten minutes per but is run by a fella i know alive'
decimation: I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled
asciilifeform: don't forget the other variable:
decimation: true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'
asciilifeform: decimation: how much would you personally pay to shave a millisecond of latency ?
asciilifeform: at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees
decimation: someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours
decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
decimation: wherever that might be
decimation: it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive
decimation: but I still think this is true: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206571 ☝︎
decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
asciilifeform: never even to consider it
asciilifeform: likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all
asciilifeform: yet they do.
decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
asciilifeform: then again, it would also be rational for them not to fucktardedly 'spv'
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
asciilifeform: or i can go to a store.
asciilifeform: i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees
decimation: well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206573 ☝︎
punkman: I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own
asciilifeform: (the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)
asciilifeform: miner pays to access the top of the sorted mempool
decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
asciilifeform: ('in-band' doesn't really feature an explicit provision for this kind of dealing)
asciilifeform: well yes, they pay out of band
decimation: asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners