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asciilifeform: what work went on, was geared towards pedagogics
mircea_popescu: on the ethnic filter point, a) it was not actulaly the case historically (new york by ww1 was just about getting to the point of advancement) ; b) it'sjust the lazy man's approach to things. doesn't work, either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it also did not help that scheme was used as a torture ritual in schools
asciilifeform: (i.e. by force of army, by 'everyone else sucks so profoundly in comparison that there can be no debate', ...
mircea_popescu: so it never attracted thinking people ?
assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2NPAC )
asciilifeform: because required 1) someone to write it 2) who could 'win' on one of the roughly 5 'standard wins' that i outline in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305
mircea_popescu: i don't get the usl part.
asciilifeform: it is, largely, this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ought to look up precisely what it is that folks are trying to get out of when they sue to be formally expelled from usa citizenship
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229941 << similar system in usa. if you don't 'file tax', not only is there a fine levied, but the tax charged will be based on what usg 'thinks' you could have earned that year. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 00:33:42; asciilifeform: ussr, for instance, just about broke its back producing ic (and cloned computers of various descriptions.) it is not clear that these paid for themselves, regardless of how you measure economic
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229811 << in the movie 'Interstellar', the 'space race' is taught to children as a thing the us used to bankrupt the ussr, and rocket jockeys are villified ☝︎
asciilifeform: meaning, roughly, whether one can carry on doing it without borrowing/stealing something from somewhere outside the system under consideration
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:53:19; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? << the concept of ev does not apply in that context.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229934 << nobody cancelled thermodynamics. the concept ultimately applies - to various degrees - to anything one might do. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:57:42; mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229957 << orlov's mafia development stage. this is available ~right now~ just as in 1880 cosa nostra. BUT they use an ethnic filter to keep out usg. (the only filter known to work semi-reliably, sadly) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:54:53; nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229939 << speaking of naggum, recall that this is how he was taxed to death ☝︎
asciilifeform: hence naggum pissing on scheme as a 'pedo' language that is only loved by folks who like the embryonic stage of things when they have no wrinkles (by his lights)
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 01:47:47; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229917 << a unified standard library never formed. a few implementation-specific fairly complete libraries - did, but the kind of folks attracted to scheme all turned nose at them (incl. me) - 'ewww, not orthogonal, not beautiful, not scheme at all' -- them (and me) ☝︎
nubbins`: anyway i should go listen to music and inhale drug smoke
nubbins`: add a spare blade, i think i dropped close to a thou on that fucking thing
nubbins` points to client who paid $1ea for business cards, printed and trimmed by hand, because digital offset shop w/ electronic die cutter did such a shitty job o.O
mircea_popescu: i have a dog that can slobber better than any race horse :D
nubbins`: this isn't always the metric tho
nubbins`: i do have a lovely plough, cca 14th century tech, that can trim a phone book cleaner than the phone book factory does
mircea_popescu: incidentally, one could prolly make a killing in the north america this way. just - offer patronage to the various people who got paper to cut. ☟︎
nubbins`: and not just of the arts, either
mircea_popescu: you need like a patron over there.
nubbins`: i have neither the means nor the will
mircea_popescu: depends. if it is the place sucks.
mircea_popescu: which means, i'll spend fifty, because hey, it keeps one or more lawyers owing me for the bread i provided them
nubbins`: the process of making them lose is itself an unreasonable burden
nubbins`: meantime, i have paper to cut, feet to rest on coffee tables...
mircea_popescu: if they lose they pay, right ?
mircea_popescu: and this "you made me do" bs is for tired mothers.
nubbins`: "by refusing the breathalyzer, you waive the right to claim you're sober"
nubbins`: "by making us guess whether you have a basement apartment, you waive your right to claim that you don't" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "by refusing to suck my cock you waive your right to fart" < formally invalid.
mircea_popescu: "by sucking my cock you waive your right to complain about its girth" < formally valid law.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no such thing. you can't waive by refusal.
assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:54:22; mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229626 << at -ev? << the concept of ev does not apply in that context. ☝︎☟︎
nubbins`: and you waive the right to appeal o.O
nubbins`: you don't let em in, they're forced to do their assessment from the street
nubbins`: actually it's the other way around
mircea_popescu: "pictures - you take, $10 each ; of you - free"
mircea_popescu: "guided tour, naked - $50. add $1000 per oz of clothes. shoes $500 flat fee."
nubbins`: and the homeowner tells you to fuck off
nubbins`: it's where they count your bathrooms and look at your basement and make sure they're charging you enough property tax
mircea_popescu: the soviet thing ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that.
nubbins`: oh, city workers knocked on my door the other day requesting entry for "propertyassessment"
mircea_popescu: not that the presence of "official committees" isn't a sign that the thing's dead/dying.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "not inhabited" part holds its own mystery. did it provide an edge to users ? then, how come not used - is it the current castration of "thinking" folk that prevented them from deplyoing it ? something else ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and on the light front, http://36.media.tumblr.com/82e04f73b678c13af881ca4eea36f11d/tumblr_nbjghbxS3F1tve9e7o1_1280.jpg
nubbins`: this intro sold me on the rest of it
assbot: George Orwell: Notes on the Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkpEMc )
nubbins`: there's tricks you can still pull and tricks you can't
nubbins`: asciilifeform the fact that the si and hf exists means the guy's probably not as much of a fuckin rube as the dude who built the church his grandfather was married in
nubbins`: not in 1st world anyway. when i was in the sacred valley of peru, right in the middle of a 7 hour hike i came across a bunch of guys building a church outta mud bricks
asciilifeform: find me a fella willing to wear a gas suit and wash si in HF all day, every day, 'for the good of' something-or-other. ☟︎
nubbins`: no stonemasons work for the good of their community any longer
nubbins`: but, this is now a relic of the past
nubbins`: nah, what i was going at is that people wanted to do it for free
nubbins`: altho the church builders were generally more free to fuck off and do something else
nubbins`: and it's the same thing that the church builders had going for them
nubbins`: the pyramid builders had one more thing going for them
asciilifeform: anyway this thread really cannot go anywhere without a mircea_popescu, so i will leave it here.
asciilifeform is roughly aware that the story of actual egyptian pyramids was rather more complicated
asciilifeform: the thing that makes the pyramid a pyramid, at least in a schoolbook example, is that it is not something anyone (but the king) actually ~wants~ that much
asciilifeform: i contend that (b) necessarily involves the same amount of enslavement as (a)
asciilifeform: just to work out example on a napkin. say you, a king, want a pyramid built. could a) conscript ten thousand folks to work to death building it b) debase the currency and hire builders
asciilifeform: if anyone has the link (or if i hallucinated this existing) please say.
asciilifeform: i am now looking for the mircea_popescu article where he hypothesized that 'bezzle' is, without exception, born out of people doing things that are -ev on the large scale - in just the same way as elements heavier than iron are born in supernova
mod6: I'm gonna re-tackle the rotor build tomorrow btw.
asciilifeform: ask the folks in the alt-universe where vlsi didn't happen
asciilifeform: and churning out those things
asciilifeform: to bring back to concretes, ussr could have done something else with the manpower they sank into cloning pdp, z80
asciilifeform: in a vain attempt to avoid being ground into mud
asciilifeform: and then run up other 'debts'
asciilifeform: the basic problem with -ev is not that eventually you run out of shitanium and unobtainium (though you will) but that you will be getting poorer, monotonically, and not realize precisely why
nubbins`: good enough to keep me going until it's time to head out
asciilifeform: orlov does conflate several unrelated phenomena (in particular, zooming into resource exhaustion to the exclusion of just about all other aspects of problem)
asciilifeform: 'This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible.'
asciilifeform: practical outgrowth of this hypothesis is that, if it is true, quite likely that most of the cpu that will EVER be produced, have been produced.
assbot: U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmM1K )
nubbins`: whoops, guess that broke assbot's url handler
assbot: 404 - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkmKXQ )
asciilifeform: but if the treat is delicious enough, and bezzlatronics invented, the non-pay-er want-ers easily turn into borrowers.
asciilifeform: so it is not enough for there to be a market of want-ers. they also gotta be pay-ers
asciilifeform: but what if a dildo intrinsically cost more to make, energy/resource-wise, than the user could ever hope to repay ?
asciilifeform: note that 'people want computerz' is not enough for the industry to be +ev
asciilifeform: re: ic thread: whole thing is kinda coming together in my skull. quite likely ~^^this^^~ is why it is impossible to borrow money to fund a computer-related anything, without a convincing plan to somehow pass the bezzle to a greater chump
nubbins`: "call off the police: law-abiding citizen count higher than ever"
assbot: Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVYqZK )
trinque: I am to the point where a bootable root.img is repeatably produced