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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231871 <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail ☝︎
phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether ☟︎
ben_vulpes: clearly i don't understand how the world werkz
ben_vulpes: brew install getcwd fails too
ben_vulpes: aight my ten are up
asciilifeform: 'lead to rome'
mircea_popescu: all things come home.
mircea_popescu: all things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting how it comes to mining
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.
pete_dushenski: Guest96371: there was some pretty decent conversation earlier today, mostly between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu about chip fabrication and game theory. start here maybe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230072 ☝︎
asciilifeform: one would, if lacking any other guidance, take 'longest chain'
ben_vulpes: don't confuse the issue.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the patches produced with antecedent marks (see earlier thread) could, hypothetically, stand alone.
asciilifeform: if there was some reason to.
asciilifeform: for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no arguments there.
Guest96371: Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is in the tarball
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter
phf: ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9
ben_vulpes: anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system?
ben_vulpes: oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry
asciilifeform: incidentally there is nothing shameful in writing a commentary to another fella's patch
asciilifeform: but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy.
asciilifeform: i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion
asciilifeform: srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it.
asciilifeform: since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch.
asciilifeform: and had to patch again, rebuild.
asciilifeform: folks who somehow thought that the ml has meaning outside of #b-a, and happened to show up and read ml in precisely the wrong three minutes - may have scratched their head in frustration
mircea_popescu: we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own.
ben_vulpes: i'm here for ten minutes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who were reading the fucking log, had zero problems.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours
trinque: lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the funny part isn't that folks didn't go straight there, but that 'here is a pill against your headaches from last month+.' '.....'
onlooker: Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)
ben_vulpes: unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?
ben_vulpes: <phf> re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: clearly not. just the end parts
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya << that's the whole log?
mircea_popescu: this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ?
mircea_popescu: i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.
onlooker: mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231673 < they are useful. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: well, stan's maze then.
asciilifeform: 'srsly, how hard to build reactor! dig some shit out of the ground, rearrange it a bit'
mircea_popescu: onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ?
mircea_popescu: srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day.
onlooker: I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that
asciilifeform: 'any other' only works like this if you're mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: just for the asking.
asciilifeform: except that this 'gurl' can be in everyone's bed
mircea_popescu: you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless...
asciilifeform: 'enjoy this dildo, but it has some splinters.' 'mmm, good, but oww' 'here's one with no splinters, laquered' '..... ow'
mircea_popescu: expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events.
onlooker: I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that
mircea_popescu: onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231604 << because it was there first and thus was heard of first and thus etc. ☝︎
onlooker: mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not
mircea_popescu: well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15
onlooker: old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha
onlooker: mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol
asciilifeform: where's that 'sanity dogma' piece by mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: when hiring a psychic, always hire the cheapest.
onlooker: because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit
mircea_popescu: wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally.
onlooker: asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.
asciilifeform: (see the adelberger thread)
mircea_popescu: so they say.
mircea_popescu: onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.
asciilifeform: onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind
onlooker: ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol
asciilifeform: your local university library, too
onlooker: I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap
asciilifeform: i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.'
mircea_popescu: they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation.
asciilifeform: american symphonics are on par with the rest of third world
mircea_popescu: fucking twerps.
mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to
asciilifeform: never seen the horse with own eyes, and don't expect to live to.
mircea_popescu: the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys
asciilifeform: if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.
asciilifeform: we aren't getting mozart for the bargain, no
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, you gotta contend with the fact that to many folks, 'copyright' ~means~ britney and microshit
trinque: read the logs, guy.
onlooker: so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated?
mircea_popescu: there's articles about this on trilema, you'll get to them in due time.
mircea_popescu: onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.
asciilifeform: i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices
onlooker: let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system?
asciilifeform: surprised they paid attention!