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coderwill: ...not that there is anything wrong w/ dropping out of any sort of educational system.
coderwill: side note - saw citizenfour last night. am having trouble grasping how high school drop-out supposedly gained access to all kinds of stuff across all kinds of platforms by the age of 29. somethings seems off w/ that whole thing.
coderwill: when you said "verify" did you mean try to !up again?
coderwill: i was switching my nick, maybe that had something to do w/ it.
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assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 15:35:35; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ?
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213181 << I'd like to transition my twitter bashing of this channel to my own blog, and would like it to be hosted by that BISP thing but not directly, like rent out some space on someone else's thingy. Is this a possibility yet? ☝︎
assbot: pay for your tits - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1grw8IZ )
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
hanbot: mod6 awesome, ty for the script, will check it out!
mod6: I'm going to be afk for the rest of the night, but I can perhaps talk about it with you tomorrow.
mod6: Meanwhile, I can offer you a script that I use to patch up through maxint_locks_corrected from v0.5.3.1 -- it's not a guide, but if you read the steps, it's what needs to happen and in what order. The new (forthcoming) guide will be based on these steps: http://dpaste.com/0YVSD6Q.txt
mod6: hanbot: yeah, the guide needs to be updated. It's on the to-do list, just had my hands full lately. I can help you get patched up from v0.5.3.1 if you like. We can work on that this week.
ben_vulpes off to welcome $bizpartner back from a week's vacation
phf: a build process tool, relaytool, used in some ungodly way to produce a dynamic libraries during build. uses bash to work and is so specified in #!... configure wants to run it by explicitly providing bash /bin/bash ./bin/relaytool. somehow doesn't detect bash, so calls /bin/sh instead, which puts bash in sh emulation mode and breaks relaytool. this, and much more, in todays adventures with eulora builds!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did eventually succeed with the rotor/stator combo
ben_vulpes: provides, however, all tools to compile bitcoin
ben_vulpes: hanbot: yes, fails spectacularly to produce a bitcoin and makes the operator take over patching at that point.
hanbot: still want to build stator, "manually": 0.5.3.1 release + six-patch battery required to achieve stator. verified release will run on my (32bit) ubuntu box w/ mod6. so now, patching (for which i was following said guide, all six patches sha1sum & sig verified)
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: DEF6F884324D1E384DC09C97F2CBD75211F125B2. This may take a few moments.
asciilifeform: i might be able to help
asciilifeform: hanbot: what are you trying to build ?
hanbot: i'll have a look at the test2 bit.
hanbot: i think ben_vulpes' thingy was solely for dependencies + release, sans patching, could be wrong.
asciilifeform: but not a patching guide, rather, patches were applied. but it tells you which, and you can obtain previous release tarball, apply them yourself, and compare the result.
assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : TestersNeeded! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )
asciilifeform: and there is this, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html by mod6
asciilifeform: (i have not, unfortunately, tested the latter)
asciilifeform: unless the automatic script created by ben_vulpes is one
hanbot: i did. is there a new&improved patching guide? i missed it if so
asciilifeform: and hanbot did you notice that this guide long pre-dates stator ?
asciilifeform had no part in writing the linked recipe
hanbot: the ml patching guide (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html) step 0x07] Clean Source Base involves manifests which i take it are part of the guide's referenced patch tarballs. given the stator patch battery is single .patch file only, how's one to handle this step (and why does guide assume patch will come in ball?)?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lol did you manage talking lobbes into letting you do these by hand ?
mircea_popescu: you manage factories (also ill tuned pianos) not individual women on their period.
asciilifeform: it doesn't respond to incentives
asciilifeform: not sure if involved. at least in the usual sense. thing isn't a horse, or dog, more like a very ill-tuned piano
mircea_popescu: i guess this resolves our standing dispute re whores/programmers. turns out it was a misunderstanding.
mircea_popescu: there is definitely a lot of management involved in being a competent computer handler, by the nature of the thing
asciilifeform: that's rather like saying that 'literary skill is good penmanship'
mircea_popescu: programming skill is necessarily "having preloaded in your head which words make bash not do this particular stupid thing"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i happen to regard the alarm clock as the single most destructively irritating thing in my entire existence
mircea_popescu: dbit oh if you already have a key just need it passed to assbot
asciilifeform: in that one creates artifacts that become foundational for future people.
mircea_popescu: the derps may call it "A time management device", but hey.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:00:47; mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233014 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233009 then 'management' and 'programming skill' are entirely one and the same thing in that field. ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... you wouldn't propose the alarm clock is a manager would you.
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mircea_popescu: ^ see first steps article there
mircea_popescu: get in the wot first eh.
mircea_popescu: and yes, that also.
mircea_popescu: (it's the view i moistly take)
asciilifeform: i like to think of the more positive, stalin sense
asciilifeform: conceivably. but would not be so tall without 'giant's shoulders'
mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: but i do not think this corresponds to the generally-understood meaning of the word 'management'
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's very bad "fiction" : it presents us the nonsensical construct of a lone man that's part of the british empire.
asciilifeform: if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'
mircea_popescu: well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.
mircea_popescu: management is a complicated thing. like persay robinson crusoe (as depicted by defoe) was certainly managed.
asciilifeform: after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..
asciilifeform: ^ not intended to imply that ~all~ items created this way are worth using
asciilifeform: but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eulora, conceivably, but i don't know enough about how it was built, and precisely by whom, and to what kind of outcome, to say anything interesting
asciilifeform: could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do
asciilifeform: as opposed to, y'know, some idler who just felt like it. (unix, c, hell, lisp)
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, example some software artifact even vaguely worth using, to intelligent folks, that was ~produced under sound management~
asciilifeform: say, example of 'good management' in that sphere that doesn't, when you scratch it, reveal itself to be a case of programming-with-human-compilers
mircea_popescu: what'd the proof look like ?
asciilifeform: i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.
mircea_popescu: the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however.
asciilifeform: thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.
mats: 14 to 24.73 to 15.5, kek
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.
mircea_popescu: "2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."
asciilifeform: 'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win
mircea_popescu: but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:31:28; asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232567 << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD. ☝︎
asciilifeform: hey, gcc doesn't expect to move.
asciilifeform: path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.
assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 20:27:08; asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232560 << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept
phf: asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures
mircea_popescu: add the lots, take the power from the people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no. the 90%
phf: asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this used to be sop
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"
asciilifeform: so there's gotta be some other part of this story.
phf: mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it
mircea_popescu: i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.
asciilifeform: and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad
mircea_popescu: phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?
phf: a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again