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ascii_field: the gold standard for
this kind of work is instrumented hardware
☟︎ ascii_field: it wasn't a paper, but a downloadable source
thing
ascii_field: plenty of
talk of 'protecting
the key: erase from caches' etc
ascii_field: mats: i read
the paper. it's a crock of shit. why does
this fella assume
that no one can run his process under cycle-accurate emulation ?
mats: in
the parlance, 'HARES' is not so much as a 'crypter'
than a 'packer'.
mircea_popescu: "Fourthly,
the
tea should be strong. For a pot holding a quart, if you are going
to fill it nearly
to
the brim, six heaped
teaspoons would be about right."
mircea_popescu: anyway, icesomething or
the other is making a pretty penny out of obfuscating and bytecoding php
ascii_field: anyway
this would be more interesting if 'homomorphic crypto' weren't a sc4m
mircea_popescu: so it can directly be dismissed if one's inclined
to dismiss on such grounds.
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're broadly correct in suspecting
that past
this general, "managerial" intuition i lack any actual idea of how it'd work out in practice.
ascii_field: on account of
the whole
thing being a 'weak keys' crock of shit
mircea_popescu: in your mind
this means "i won't be able
to
tell if nsa is running X on my computer". in my mind,
this means "nsa won't be able
to
tell if i'm running
trilema off obama's computer".
ascii_field: the (largely lysenkoine and fraudulent, but bear with me) promise of 'homomorphic' is
that you can, ostensibly, make a circuit where determining function is similar
to breaking rsa
mircea_popescu: so i can run
trilema off of
them and
there's nothing
they can do about it.
mircea_popescu: let
the good people of jwz nation run "secure" "homowhatever" computers.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you don't imagine
the stuff won't be hacked, right ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky,
there's some value into getting better control of
the "owners" of zombie computers.
mircea_popescu: ty months of bloom" << epic. in
the same article he complains about someone complaining about roses being bourgeois.
mircea_popescu: "I
think it is worth recording what some of
them cost, just
to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest
them in something
that grows.I
think it is worth recording what some of
them cost, just
to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest
them in something
that grows. [...] Between
them, in nine years,
those seven rose bushes will have given what would add up
to a hundred or a hundred and fif
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the 'homomorphic' shit is strictly for 'secure against owner'
mircea_popescu: so : yes, great, for outside. not
the chief point of computing in any sense.
mircea_popescu: that munroe character makes
the same point with schoolchildren, schoolmasters and condoms, but i have no
taste for it.
mircea_popescu: my perception of "secured computing", for what it's worth (perhaps not much) is
that it's very much akin
to clothing. sure, it "protects
the body". yet one generally wishes for
the sort of house
that allows, and
that's populated by
the sort of women
that don't particularly need
that protection.
ascii_field: 'cool' in precisely
the same sense as
the bomb collars
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform:
they would like
to create (and
then mandate) computing machinery
that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
mircea_popescu: scale wars at
the cost of prolonging indefinitely a 'peace
that is no peace'.
mircea_popescu: Had
the atomic bomb
turned out
to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on
the other hand, have meant
the end of national sovereignty and of
the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems
to be
the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult
to produce as a battleship, it is likelier
to put an end
to large-
mircea_popescu: 1.
the consensus of
the people ; 2.
the internet ; 3.
the consensus of people on
the internet.
mircea_popescu: i don't
think orwell is properly credited with
the invention of
this
term ?
mircea_popescu: James Burnham's
theory has been much discussed, but few people have yet considered its ideological implications–that is,
the kind of world-view,
the kind of beliefs, and
the social structure
that would probably prevail in a state which was at once UNCONQUERABLE and in a permanent state of 'cold war' with its neighbors.
jurov: it heats up slower... but also slower
to cool down
punkman: jurov: how does
that insulation work out in
the summer btw?
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform:
they would like
to create (and
then mandate) computing machinery
that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture
to say
that
the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
mats: Torrey's research is actually interesting, if you'd
take
the
time
to read it instead of
the Wired write up...
jurov: i heard some stories
that brasilia is okay
mircea_popescu: the only places plankton can colonize are
the uk, france, etc.
ascii_field: in all fairness, orlov never advocated 'let's all you plankton move
to x and colonize'
phf: rvivalist spot in
Tamaulipas"
phf: jurov:
theoretical potential is not
the problem. what i'm saying is
that
there's existing "flora and fauna"
that you're going
to run into pretty fast. local деревенские "people from
the village", police, military divisions
that for all practical purposes own
the locations principality style and don't need
to "trade" in order
to get guns, cars and supplies. for some reason
that sort of fantasies don't usually go "let's build a dream su
jurov: and yes, it
took another 10y for insulation
to start seriously
jurov: what? whole prefab concrete
thing stopped by 1992
mircea_popescu: better'd be
to see who hanged for
the fact
that prefab production wasn't
transitioned
to "sandwiched prefab with styofoam". in like, 1992.
jurov: but whole blocks are mostly in half of
their 70y projected lifetime
jurov: heh yes, will be funny
to see how good is
the "lifetime warranty" for
mircea_popescu: but let's not
talk of "20 years later". not on
the internet, of all places.
mircea_popescu: of course... once
they age
they'll be
the best cockroach house any cockroach could dream for.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 16:31:25; phf: precisely how many people died in remote locations like
that during
the 90s as a result of rapid
transition from central planning economy
to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine".
that info might never surface
jurov: but what i wanted
to say... our block got just 70mm insulation and whole damn
thing heats itself by used electricity and body heat alone, i have cold radiator at -20 outside
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 15:46:48; mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and
the behaviour of
the women, in particular, is such
that
the army, I believe, does not allow
them
to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
mircea_popescu: jurov if "gotta
trade with somebody" is your premise, go
to new york, and be a jew.
mircea_popescu: HERE IS
THE RECENT
TRICK
THAT B-A REALLY HATES. HOW AN UNEMPLOYED
TWERP MADE IMPOSSIBLE
TO SOFTWARE.
ascii_field: 'learn
the
trick reverse engineers hate!!11'
jurov: gotta
trade with somebody
mircea_popescu: how about you go live in china,
then, if your plan is
to put your life on a foundation of
trade with china ?
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 15:36:52; mircea_popescu: "A Crypto
Trick
That Makes Software Nearly Impossible
to Reverse"
ascii_field: 'Jacob
Torrey – Cyber-security Philosopher and Boffin' <<
to
the furnace
mircea_popescu: siberia is
to be approached sanely, which is
to say, dressed in furs you
tanned yourself, with
trained dogs and women
that are provedly able
to live like
this.
phf: precisely how many people died in remote locations like
that during
the 90s as a result of rapid
transition from central planning economy
to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine".
that info might never surface
☟︎ phf: the heat in novosibirsk like in all russian cities is provided
through pipes in a form of a compressed steam and hot water from a ТЭЦ. (a major difference between eastern europe and
the states). if ТЭЦ fails, novosibirsk
turns into a ice coffin, on account of all
the concrete box construction.
that actually happened in
the past for short periods of
time (like a week or
two) and it's usually a major humanitarian disaster. we don't even know
jurov: novosibirsk is on same latitude
than denmark.. just
that swings between -40 +40C in
the year
jurov: siberia is good for hiding, i guess... not in mcmansion,
tho
phf: that's kind of an obvious point
to a nerd boy, i
thought
the solution always was "stop being such a little shit", not "let's change everyone around me so i finally don't feel inadequate"
mircea_popescu: see phf, men are deeply afraid of women. especially
the men
that never killed anyone for
the simple aesthetic pleasure of
taking a life.
mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and
the behaviour of
the women, in particular, is such
that
the army, I believe, does not allow
them
to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: mats
there's certainly a difference between brainfuck and c++ programs
that's driven by difference between actual brainfuck and c++. what exactly it is,
tho...
mircea_popescu: and omfg
the x of y enough already god damned pigdinheads
mats: like he's attempting
to improve upon
the 'chomsky hierarchy'
mats: i get
the sense
that he's on
to something but lacks
the ability
to clearly describe it