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trinque: I think this practice persisted legally until quite recently in TX

TomServo: I doubt there is one. Perhaps I misunderstood 'road sodas' when converting to local parlance.

ben_vulpes: heh i dunno that i've ever heard a couth name for the practice tbh; or any person who'd call themselves couth engaging in it

ben_vulpes: hahaha i fuckin know it's charming

trinque: lol aha. I've never seen such a polite huge truck driver as mine.

ben_vulpes: much like the honda babywagon i've allocated vs the three f1 engines a team's allowed in a season

TomServo: Agreed, I'll admit the overclocking really threw me. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: points on a continuum from where i sit

TomServo: Well, running hard and diddling overlclock settings + babysitting detail are different things, I think.

ben_vulpes: heh yeah i think trinque and i have pretty similar attitudes towards how to treat machines you're going to run hard

TomServo: ben_vulpes: I see also, just thought it was worth mentioning.

TomServo: I think trinque 's point about hardware import difficulties is important to consider when stressing the gear, is all.

ben_vulpes: TomServo: i personally run machines for longevity, but i can see why mircea_popescu and BingoBoingo would want to run their lowendboxen hot and cram as much into 'em as possible. ☟︎

trinque: makes sense, I won't dispute that part.

ben_vulpes: i ain't justifying shit, i'm saying that i'm not concerned about the health of the rack from a few hot boxes.

ben_vulpes: i

TomServo: This seems like strained reasoning to justify overclocking for what I see is a minimally appreciable gain.

ben_vulpes: if we don't neglect it, i'd expect entrained flow in the same direction as the convective cooling flux, eg from front of rack to back

TomServo: but i've also never racked overclocked servers and would expect no joy to come from it ☟︎

ben_vulpes: i've never racked machines that squealed on insert, you?

TomServo: ben_vulpes: not sure about any air gap, all the racks i've seen are pretty pretty tight ☟︎

TomServo: That was my point, I don't see it being worth the effore given cpu cheapness.. even with the VAT. ☟︎

mod6: i haven't for 20 years, but it basically resulted in a very unstable box. ☟︎

ben_vulpes: i know but if the convective flux is adequate there really shouldn't be that much heat conducted from machine to machine

TomServo: I've not kept up-to-date, but in my understanding of successful overclocking is often dependant on specialized cooling systems expected to be in a mini or full tower.

TomServo: I can likely order gear as well, but I don't expect that will be a problem.

lobbes: mircea_popescu, I may be able to order something, depending on price (any gear needed under $500, say?). I've been meaning to convert some more fiat into coin anyway

TomServo: I think you're on the right track not paying the price premium on the latest and greatest and eating the power.

TomServo: mircea_popescu: I would expect cores and I certainly wouldn't be considering overclocking in a DC environment.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 11:09 mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh.

mircea_popescu: TomServo ok, but i'm more interested in... do you have some way to discern whether more cores or more clock speed are more valuable ?

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782051 << fwiw I'd be vehehehry interested in a bbisp $20 per month shared hosting ☝︎

mircea_popescu: to my (admittedly aloof) reasoning, even if filled with 20 of these, the rack would have plenty of swim space on the sides, and should at least theoretically be ok. i dunno, i guess we find out.

TomServo: Ah, then I misunderstood.

mircea_popescu: this is officially the dumbest standard i ever encountered. i am officially giving up trying to use the words, will use the numbers.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 19:40 a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ?

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 10:46 mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats.

mircea_popescu: take something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782012 : if you did actyually put 4 to the mobo, as they theoretically can suffer, and somehow stuffed all this in 1U, and attempted to put 40 such units at half a kW each inside one rack, i'd fully expect the whole thing melting down within the hour. not even water can take out 20KJ/s out of a (stationary) rack. we're talking like, car engine sorta coolings by now. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: so i'm kinda trying to outsource the heat knowhow to the dc, in this passive manner. kinda why i got a low W cpu. i'm thinking i'd have to worry more about some modern 500W bs "single"t or multi-cpu than about this basically 125W max power item. how much can it possibly heat...

mircea_popescu: but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ?

mircea_popescu: well, i expect draw in the 200-250W. that means at most 10 per rack at current power.

TomServo: If not dense, prolly not an issue. But if it starts filling.. I'd be worried.

TomServo: Well, I'm a bit miffed at the idea of stuffing consumer gear in racks, but I've not tried this. Seems risky.

mircea_popescu: well, tips & tricks appreciated, i'm sure.

mircea_popescu: oops i mean mod6

BingoBoingo: I do not yet know.

BingoBoingo: I am going there again tomorrow. I held the thing in place helpful guy used the screwdriver to secure it to the rack studs. Apologies for the ambiguity.

mircea_popescu: aite. do you know the covers i mean ?

BingoBoingo: I meant I have not been there since the installation.

mircea_popescu: wait wait, i thought you had visited the dc floor ?

BingoBoingo: I have not been there yet. Though I might be able to find some sorta box to throw in the cage. Returning to the datacenter tomorrow say hello, take pics, and ask again about importers. I was distracted by accounting/blogging/sheetmetalhunt Monday/Today.

BingoBoingo: Well, someone is piling hardware in the US? I haven't seen volunteers yet other than phf to courier

BingoBoingo: While I do some measurement and chassis hunting, here is the board powering Qntra if anyone wants to build their own. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138448

ben_vulpes: also i like rockets

mircea_popescu: (this ~is~ a desktop cpu ; so it may need special mounting, but i don't think it should be outright unmountable. the asrock is a mini-atx, afaik those fit in 2u.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? ☟︎

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781846 << In the early searching I am wondering if a cooler will fit ☝︎

mircea_popescu: well, sorta like libtarded precious cuntlet in 2018. "i wonder why nobody writes to me on fetlife!!!" "where's your nudie shots ?" "ummmm..."

mircea_popescu: because i suspect we're stuck with it until well over >1mn shitiats per coin.

mircea_popescu: aww not even 5k ? i r diss-appoint ;/

a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 03:29 mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.

mod6: 'tis what i deserve

mod6: last weekened i was all cocky about it too. "look at everyone gettin sick! NOT ME!"

shinohai: Feel for ya mod6. I got a relapse too. You shouldn't have been hanging around me this past weekend. :P

BingoBoingo: name] S.A. but it will have a seperate "doing business as" name which I figure might as well just be my name according to the principal of maximum pissing on.

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, is the "company" having your name or isn't this between latechco and your company or what? << At present due to the painful $900 lesson my name is my company, though it is indeed a legally registered company in Uruguay. Once I have a local ID (Hopefully sometime March-April) and I make another run at the corporation (because the provisional ID cuts the passport knot) it will be [insert aculturally relevant

diana_coman: well, it certainly sounds quite... east-ish, let's say; I'm surprised at how much I can actually read /follow that thing now

juhoitse: I'm googling about eulora rn

mircea_popescu: aite. so i say publish as is, but replace the addresses with ***.

BingoBoingo: But no I did not meet him, he sent his regards.

diana_coman: juhoitse, I suggest you try making some btc directly in eulora; at least there you can't lose more than you have

juhoitse: As a finn I have the immunity to hard liqour but I've lost my social skills as a consequence

mircea_popescu: https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED114/546b10da9172d.jpeg << also, i just realised i need childism too!

mircea_popescu: in other lulz : "why did you bring your cat to school, joey ?" "because as i was leaving daddy said to mommy he's gonna eat that pussy once joey leaves for school ;/"

juhoitse: Well I think I want to get to into bitcoin some more

mircea_popescu: do you get superpowers or something ? for instance, i'm romanian, and consequently i can curse.

juhoitse: And I'm Finnish

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here is the whole unredacted contract. I am unsure what, if anything ought to be redacted before publication given the mission of maximally pissing on the enemy by not being a prude http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7WHsY/?raw=true

juhoitse: I'm finishing high school at the moment, going to study engineering in a uni hopefully soon

mircea_popescu: check it out trinque even better than originally thought. i forgot about the setup fees.

mircea_popescu: and, to be sure, if you do manage to fill it, and if it does make good dough, i'll be just as happy for you to get a nice villa and import your own german car and diddle all the uruguayan hos you can find. so...

mircea_popescu: hey, if we pull this off i'll be just as happy as you.

mircea_popescu: now, as to everyone else : today's the 6th. the plan is to continue discussing the spec given above, for improvements/refinements/whatever until the 8th ; at which point we start ordering. there's about 15k fiats worth of gear being contemplated, and i'm more than willing to spread it around a few people who want some cheap coins.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you gonna be there to pick him up when he lands yes ? << I can be if he asks. From there the plan is proceed to the cowork and unpack the equipment.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo does the dc provide the racking boxes at least ? or does sheer metal have to be carried from overseas also ? << Inquiry sent, with a timeline (i.e. can be had next week)

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: why are you not rolling VAT into this pricing scheme? << I did not in that draft under the presumption taxes are another salary.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo phf trinque diana_coman so i'm thinking of basically getting a dozen amd fx-8350s (because just 125w compared to say fx-9590s 220) racked in u2 mbs (say maybe ASRock 970M PRO3 ? i thinkl that fits in 2u neh ?) with 64 gb ram each and a coupla ssds ? any complaints/suggestions ? << Sounds a hell of a lot beefier than the Qntra server.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? << Is re: Fedexing things of value for the local customs folks to decide are shady unlabeled "internet purchases", apparently that is their term of art. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1781806 << i missed this. say what ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: now then, considering that config : the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ; the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100 to 150 per. i'm thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so taking an average of 3 that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really.

diana_coman: oh yes, theoretically all sorts; by "properly-speaking" I meant precisely NOT theoretical

diana_coman: I can see the argument as a generic offering , yes; in all fairness it's not like we have a load of properly-speaking multi-threaded software to run

mircea_popescu: i'd rather take another rack.

mircea_popescu: take something like, i dunno, epyc-7351 say. costs 7x, has 4x the cores, 4.5x the ram speed, 4.5x the l2/3 cache and 50% the power. basically i'm getting less than twice as much processor per watt, if i pay 7x the money. meh. ☟︎

diana_coman: well yes, hence "slight dislike" not a deal breaker or anything major; fwiw at this moment I'd say Eulora can certainly live on either

mircea_popescu: now, of course, the 6376 could be piled 4 to the motherboard. but i tell you i don't see you'd want it, considering how much it eats. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno what that post was about, but ima strike it from teh record.

trinque: ah well, that was all of it, I guess. welcome back, qntra

mircea_popescu: anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.