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a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:49 mircea_popescu: yet i can't tell him from adam.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:27 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than

ben_vulpes: oh i'm just ribbing him for last night

ben_vulpes: but i dunno about that

ben_vulpes: ave1 seems to think i'll need a new key

a111: Logged on 2018-02-10 15:16 mircea_popescu: i'll be here an hour later. so will be here the fact the latter approach is well known and THOROUGHLY documented to cause shocking failure in otherwise well meaning, intelligent and respectable kids. that's ~the whole history of early bitcoin.

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783842 << BingoBoingo needs supervision and tasking at a (micro-)scale that mircea_popescu understandably has zero interest in providing. now this may be a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783173, but if building an isp for tmsr isn't worth bleeding for i don't know what is and so this is the breach into which i intend to step. ☝︎☝︎

BingoBoingo: Ironically when I tried to force bitcoind onto one ip through an iptables rule that did make it hang. Since I stopped trying that it hasn't hung.

asciilifeform: ( i didn't bother to. but eventually would notice that when one is hanging, so is other )

asciilifeform: rather than 'bahahaha i'ma take up whole box'

asciilifeform: i also using for years. but suppose you wanted to run two instances of trb on one box, on separate ips.

mircea_popescu: i've been usinfg it for years.

asciilifeform: i somehow missed this

mod6: mircea_popescu: I'd like to see S.NSA's equipment come down to .uy and be also a customer.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:18 mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 14:15 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-14 07:40 ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation*

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783834 << worse yet ( or better?? ) i do not even have 'blather' to add to this, i never solved yet the 'padding' problem at all. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783607 << speaking of which, i guess it can't hurt to mention SCIENTIFIC STUDIES! http://trilema.com/2011/sa-bem-in-gura/ ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:40 asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)

mircea_popescu: but yes, the fundamental reason i didn't say no to uy (in preference of say, hk) is specifically that asia has a bw problem.

mircea_popescu: (this is the deep, and political meaning of the rowhammer class of attacks : it has rendered amazon's business entirely worthless ; much like basic physics make tesla be a paper-only usg venture, so now the last remaining flagship. all hopes now pinned on googles artificial "intelligence" [and i guess "quantum" wank].) ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 16:40 ben_vulpes: phf: yeah i rolled IVA into that number, is that wrong for some reason?

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 14:32 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform.

mircea_popescu: yet i can't tell him from adam. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how you hodling up ? << I guess the other big lesson is that in a bit more than two months, this weekend has shown that I made at least one servicable friend here

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 14:26 TomServo: I'd very much like to see this endeavor succeed and would gladly offer assistance. I don't want to get out line if this discussion is for L1.

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 10:58 ave1: Hanbot and Diana_coman, I thought so too. The past couple of days has cost me a few nights sleep. My thoughts here: http://ave1.org/2018/from-the-proverbial-peanut-gallery/

BingoBoingo: I have been doing that, but for Step 5 it doesn't seem right if you can't look the other person in the eye

asciilifeform: this particular observation ( mircea_popescu had a 'liars can't invent' article ) i found fascinating and tried several times to write a piece in application re particular historic charlatans , but failed to say anyffingnew

BingoBoingo: But with the IspWish... With a mircea_popescu venture I had a good idea I was playing with a knife. I have a lot of uncertainty what a mod6, ben_vulpes, alf coalition offers that mircea_popescu didn't other than padding and yet to be determined quality of middle management. If they present an escape plan it would provide a lot of comfort.

BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes might be able to supply middle management if he takes an active interest in this venture. But as per http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/13/a-summary-of-bbisp-activity/#comment-114709 I would like to see new management present at least one plan where they envision keeping the corpse warm for a month and pulling the plug if they find it unfeasible in a way that allows BingoBoingo to survive in a position no wosre than ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'ma not spoil the bisp surprise tho, will wait till its new commander wakes up, speaks.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wb btw. i for one thought that mircea_popescu was tired of teaching his kindergarten..

a111: Logged on 2018-02-12 19:55 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783439 << this thread puts much in perspective. In all my arguments with socialist aquaintances, it always seems like it boils down to "well, if there's failure that just means we haven't tried xyz magical configuration of policies yet!". I.e. "goal posts" can be moved ad infinitum (in their eyes, that is)

a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 13:57 mircea_popescu: alternatively, i have no problem taking say 1.5 worth of absolutely senior convertible equity in your continuant venture, however you call it.

mircea_popescu: that aside, i don't necessarily want to be paid cash or anything ; carry the same http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-11#1783243 on the books alongside whatever you're adding via the foundation and it'll be fine. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not against you taking over ; but mind that as you also mention, BingoBoingo 's problem wasn't lack of access to capital (i dunno why this keeps being the expectation, as it's scarcely yet been the case, we're drastically overcapitalized is the entire fucking problem to begin with). BingoBoingo 's problem was lack of access to middle management, and it nigh on killed him. so for this to work, that's the key element. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 17:25 mircea_popescu: hmm, where the hell is the place where i say the father's responsibility to his daughter is to shove a pound of raw prime beef down her throat every day and naught else ?

diana_coman: while searching for something else, I found the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776243 ; it's in the logs, at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616384 ☝︎☝︎

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783593 << I think I'm in a similar boat as you, but I've just been lucky not to run into the kraken (http://trilema.com/2018/experimental-results/#selection-343.191-347.68). My luck will run out eventually though. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 22:16 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783587 << damn. Well, while I'm not opposed to having lobbesbot take over jhvh1 functionality, I still have much in the hopper already (e.g. getting archive bulk-download into production). Hell, by the time I get to it I may wake to my own heathen vpsen assassinated ;/ ☝︎

ave1: I will reread the charter and all other relevant documents

ave1: I hereby apologise to lord ben_vulpes

ave1: I hereby apologise to lord mod6

ave1: I seem to have tripped over the name *foundation* ☟︎

lobbes: yeah ave1, I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Foundation is two guys who each have a distinct identity that can be impaled by the forum's punishment gazette at any time. I fail to see the pantsuit properties of the solution

asciilifeform: ( i.e. if it's due to where the inodes are, or the like )

asciilifeform: i'ma set some up later this wk meself.

asciilifeform: ( before anyone asks -- i have nfi who this is )

asciilifeform: also if you want to experiment with even bigger numberz, turn the 32 ( that i habitually use as stack height ) into the minimal necessary 4 for this experiment

asciilifeform: i left this as exercise but if mod6's nerves are as tight as asciilifeform's , is forgivable , lol

mod6: yah, i thought they might be a bit small. lemme see what I can do.

asciilifeform: i oughta have reminded.

asciilifeform: ( note that you do not need the 0 in .0 , i put it in for readability )

mod6: oh, i see. lemme see what i can drum up here...

asciilifeform: but i think errybody gets the idea.

mod6: I can confirm that the seal verifies and that pressing up through chatper 10 worked.

asciilifeform: ( since mircea_popescu seems to be sleeping i'ma have to run the emulator : 'it's because they are part of my Adult World, not this stinking kindergarten' )

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783582 <<< lobbes this may be something you and I might discuss you overtaking, since I likely am not going to be able to bring back jhvh1 with current isp woes, etc. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 17:41 mod6: i use a few for various things.

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783544 << fwiw I will certainly purchase/use a bbisp vps as well. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: mod6: I am baking blog post summarizing where this thing is.

ben_vulpes: i'll buy it

asciilifeform: ( if someone believes this equation to contain a mistake -- i would like to hear about it asap )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i meant, in sum

ben_vulpes: diana_coman: i've only tallied up ~1.7k/mo in l1 space rental

diana_coman: I think it can sell enough to l1(+l2 perhaps) but I haven't run the numbers etc (because I'm already juggling lots as it is)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: dare i ask if you have a theory of how a bisp could stay in the black without taking heathen coin ?

diana_coman: but I suppose asciilifeform's obv is correct in that a.2 is missing still

diana_coman: fwiw I am certainly interested in being a customer of TMSR ISP but I've been waiting and waiting to see concrete offers; being a bit on the other side of the world doesn't help much re moving iron there either but presumably at some point I can even get that sorted in some way; if there is some ISP to get sorted to, of course

mod6: i use a few for various things. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( am i mistaken ? )

asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps) ☟︎

asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this

diana_coman: phf I think what is actually shutting down the operation is a. lack of someone capable & willing to take it in hand i.e. provide very detailed instructions to BingoBoingo b. fuzziness as to what operation there really is atm + what operation can actually be had at the location

phf: i missed the "estimated from l1/2" bit

ben_vulpes: i pulled 2834.06/mo from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ , estimated some 1.7k in rental subscriptions from l1/2

ben_vulpes: phf: yeah i rolled IVA into that number, is that wrong for some reason? ☟︎

ave1: BingoBoingo: read carefully these are not requests but suggestions, I even left some out. Also, at this point you still have a partner and I do not know your arrangements, so check before publishing what might be important / secret business operational data.

ben_vulpes: i'm guessing the initial subscription of just rack space comes to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us to breakeven" deal slicing up one of the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in the grand scheme of things, but the tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against this)

a111: Logged on 2018-02-13 07:56 diana_coman: I admit I don't really get what the sticking point is there in asciilifeform's calculations: the potential tax on shipped equipment? the cost of BingoBoingo ? the cost of racks? not enough sure revenue (how the fuck)? what?

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 << this is not that clear to me. what i've penciled out is that there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was to build and rent vpsen to get to breakeven, which still needs someone in teh forums hawking vps ☝︎

lobbes: But for now I'll shut up and leave room for my betters to work out that question. Back to saeculum mines, and then archive-o-tronics

TomServo: Sucks, I think getting that gear there was a critical piece.

mod6: I'm gonna look at some things, will report back later.

mod6: So, indeed, I think we all want to see the ISP idea work. But after this entire snafu, I'm still confused as to what went wrong here. The foundation's plan here was in motion to bring machines there directly. Because of the ugly possible VAT or dissappearing of boxes themselves.

mod6: I don't want to through good money after bad here.

shinohai: Aside from Qntra I have no reliable income, so that brings all to screeching halt here.

shinohai: I've done ugly things to stay fed .... worked with fatty camgirls, etc. But echoing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783160 none of my ventures have any future without isp. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: That being said for my health I would like a proposal that includes the possibility of a BingoBoingo exit date away from cargo cult Alcoholics Anonymous

a111: Logged on 2018-02-11 14:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what your lack of experience isn't informing you is that you have a very significant advantage. your ~7k per annum cost compares very VERY favorable to what empire pays to hire a walmart drone (25k or so base + 20k or so in overload). the walmart drone costs 6x what you do, and i daresay they do not do 1/6th of what you do. just because you came out short of lordship in the field does not now mean the baseline of

lobbes: I'm a regular poorfag, but fuck, what is it FOOD for BingoBoingo that is standing in the way in alf's calcs? If that's what it takes I can throw a months worth of food in btc to bb as a one-time gift. (Though I think issue was longterm coin-to-food conveyor)

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783471 << I can't speak for others, but talk (and opinions) are cheap! Only one willing to consider shouldering the post-mp burden/risk thus far has been asciilifeform. ☝︎☟︎

TomServo: I'd very much like to see this endeavor succeed and would gladly offer assistance. I don't want to get out line if this discussion is for L1. ☟︎

BingoBoingo: I am re-reading it a few times. Certainly it is helpful in a way that the gabriel_laddel-ism http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/09/a-long-descent-into-the-cargo-cult/#comment-114684 is not

BingoBoingo: <hanbot> and i'd think salvaging bb's mission closer to the goal --any point closer than zero--, would be just about top priority. hence figure it out, and well before wednesday morning comes around. << I can only hope other people are doing math and weighting costs versus warming up their other ISP plans they may have put on hold.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo soo, you're buying your ticket wednesday or what was it ? << I was planning on picking it up Thursday if there has been no interest through Wednesday in channel on a takeover mission for this venture. I can extend the timeline a bit, if it is prudent to do so.

shinohai: Gah, the logs I wake to of late.