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mircea_popescu: anyway, upon consideration venus does have to some degree the sharp features of the ideal fox. at least moreso than all the piefaces everyone wants to paint for some reason ☟︎
mircea_popescu: >in< color and taste there aren't comrades
asciilifeform: for colour or taste, ain't no such thing as friend
mircea_popescu: wut are teh words mean!
mircea_popescu: it literally sayz, za taste and za color, comrades not.
mircea_popescu: color and taste aren't comrades ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. people like alma-tadema, godward etc do women that look more like adults
asciilifeform: (how do you englisch that?)
mircea_popescu: i do not wish to consort with preteens ffs.
asciilifeform: of all the ones i can recall.
mircea_popescu: much like maja has the face of a sly thirteen year old.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, what you like is what you like. to me she seems dumb.
mircea_popescu: but i don't mean copacetically like. i mean like like one's supposed to like art : un coup fumant. if she came off the toille you'd have no choice but to drop everything and marry her.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this suggests a fine exercise for the esteemed lordship and beyond. not everything in this life is code, and a gentleman needs to study and know a loit more than rubies. so therefore : which classical nude do you like the face of ?
mircea_popescu: i don't remember any classical nude i like the face of.
asciilifeform: this is because mircea_popescu is still thinking of these items as artwork, to look at
mircea_popescu: and the historical master's taste in women shows they never met any for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: besides, the modern copy can be fix. i much prefer my own rewrites of classical poems to the originals anwyay.
mircea_popescu would not feel particularly better for owning the "actual" copy of a painting he likes rather than a very good one. actually i'd feel like a total fool.
asciilifeform: but the pretence is maintained so rockefeller's stash can be inflationproof. and folks who try to fuck with the pretence, often Have Problems.
mircea_popescu: not like the things are under copyright anymore.
mircea_popescu: also, the thing is, it's perfectly legal to order and own, and trade etc COPIES
asciilifeform: (hence the linked article where chinese fella used vintage paper, ink)
asciilifeform: well-known, i thought.
mircea_popescu: which is how 99% of these "fake fine art" arguments are settled - no eggyolk in the pigment or shit
asciilifeform: except that we have a handful of wealthy and demented folk who turned the whole shebang into a kind of primitive altcoin
mircea_popescu: ("oh this march is from 1722 and then they put antimony in the brass. this march was a fake!)
mircea_popescu: much like a good performance of a march does not get anulled through having been "not the original" and nobody sticks around to compare the brass instruments used
mircea_popescu: fine art is either fine for its fine-ness or then not even art at all.
asciilifeform: (and i bet there are 25 films like this)
asciilifeform: pretty sure someone linked to a modern rerun of this concept, earlier.
mircea_popescu: (goya has a dressed maja and a nude one, they were goin to make "la maja en chemise")
mircea_popescu: anyway, pretty much your idea : a wanna-be rockefeller (except fraudster-y) hires an eccentric copyer to make an intermediate maja
mircea_popescu: italian comic of the war period.
mircea_popescu: ancient film with toto. know him ?
asciilifeform: not twice as happy if he can't buy 2x the turkeys
mircea_popescu: this would be true if there existed a usg agency of authenticity.
asciilifeform: i am enthusiastically in favour of elaborate art fraudsters if they can ddos this process.
mircea_popescu: what part of doublethink you think got cancelled ? the man with two maja desnudas simply is twice as happy. ☟︎
asciilifeform: rockefeller's vermeer is genuine and fuckyou because he is rockefeller; the one mr schmuck found in his cellar - will be annointed fake (or no one will even bother) unless it suits a rockefeller to bless it.
asciilifeform: but, if understand correctly, there is an alternate hypothesis: the costly and elaborate 'authentification' is not to authenticate, but to annoint
asciilifeform: before you know it, they're boat ballast
mircea_popescu: this is like, "it doesn't work if i come back home and there's TWO almost dressed blondies waiting for me"
asciilifeform: nah, it doesn't work if someone can walk into a dark closet and emerge with two indistinguishable costly pet rocks.
mircea_popescu: he'll be voted, if that's what keeps millions from raining.
asciilifeform: only if they can be provenanced.
mircea_popescu: at the mental level where us adults are, $500 mn for soccer trading cards would not be amiss.
asciilifeform: let ten quintillion indistinguishable fakeassos bloom.
mircea_popescu: that has nothin to do.
asciilifeform: not common enough! if there are still $40mil auctions for'em
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 13:02:32; assbot: How a Chinese librarian made $6 million in forged art over two years | National Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1MEGQZh )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248274 << you know this is ~extremely~ common. maybe even half the fine art privately owned / displayed at any time is fake. ☝︎
mod6: ok i think i see what I did wrong here... just a minute.
mircea_popescu: that weird feeling when you wake up at 4pm, everyone's gone to do useful stuffs and you have a pile of explanatory notes, aggregated foodstuffs and so forth.
mircea_popescu: oh i guess they were using it historicaly for the line above huh
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why the fuck is ^ called a caret. a caret is supposed to go below the line.
asciilifeform: i was about to say.
asciilifeform: they go well with tea
mircea_popescu: mebbe they made a soup, who knows. ima ask teh girls.
mircea_popescu: i got one from yest, too :)
asciilifeform: add to a collection thereof, i suppose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure what i was thinking there!
mod6: lemme blow these away
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say, you keep sending me these carets, what are they supposed to do ? add to my collection ?
asciilifeform: they have to match.
mod6: yeah. you know... was just looking at these closer. i think i screwed something up
asciilifeform: mod6: now try applying these in the known order.
mod6: ok, here is the diffs between your posted patches w/timestamps v. new ones w/o ts: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel1-test-20150822.patch && http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/rel2-pre-test-20150822.patch
asciilifeform: 'if tree-walk wedges on account of your patch, blame yourself'
mod6: "in the beginning there was false..."
asciilifeform: but it is a handy means of mechanically computing whom to negrate. ☟︎
asciilifeform: recall, there is no notion of time.
asciilifeform: this is still not a 100% solution, because we have ~no means of ordering patches other than hashes~
asciilifeform: like this:
asciilifeform: without tortoise-and-hare algo
asciilifeform: it occurs to me that we can check for this mechanically
asciilifeform: cause a board position to be repeated ? nope
mod6: makes sense. this is a tree. and if we suddenly make the root a leaf, then screwed.
asciilifeform: if must undo a change, roll it back with an annotation. anything to get a ~novel~ sha512.
asciilifeform: mod6: no, understand, such a patch being submitted will wedge the machine.
asciilifeform: it would be easily 50x the complexity of the whole shebang put together.
mod6: yeah, well, i agree, if somehow they end up restoring something back to its original sha512 something is wrong. or something needed to be rolled back for some reason.
asciilifeform: i ~really~ don't feel like stuffing a 'tortoise and hare algo' cycle-finder in that thing.
asciilifeform: and encourage others to do the same.
asciilifeform: my present understanding is that the only solution to this is that i intend to negrate anyone who EVER does this. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i.e. if someone were to submit an antipatch which brings a file hash back to a previously-seen value.
asciilifeform: re: earlier thread: a few hours of thinking led me to another potential boojum in 'v' : cyclic graphs ☟︎
mod6: that way too im not doing the '-d' gymnastics
asciilifeform: gotta nail this down, once and for all.
asciilifeform: (which i am trying to strip of all unnecessary 'intelligence')
asciilifeform: we resolved it before by doing shell gymnastics with the dir
asciilifeform: in the original 'orchestra'
mod6: eek! in the signed one?
asciilifeform: presently some of them are, e.g., '+++ b/src/foo' and this slipped past my eyes
asciilifeform: to be specific, all diff hunks should take the form seen in 'genesis', where '--- a/bitcoin/src/foo', '+++ b/bitcoin/src/foo'
mod6: <+asciilifeform> can either do this yourself, or wait several days until i get around to it. << i might get some more time to play around tonight. we'll see
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: diff with the old set, and see that nothing but timestamps is at variance << can post this here in a bit for your review
asciilifeform: can either do this yourself, or wait several days until i get around to it.
asciilifeform: mod6: they also need to be rebased (paths adjusted) so that they ~all~ apply from the root dir (where the patches live.)
asciilifeform: mod6: also might want to try applying the patches, sequentially.