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assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:51:32; asciilifeform: this makes it possible to mechanically trace a 'patchchain'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248343 << we still want the graph thing opf this btw. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 14:31:53; fluffypony: so 6 hours till North Korea says they'll retaliate
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248302 << they metaretaliated. ☝︎
ag3nt_zer0: good for the soul
mircea_popescu: b) you farm these and let them age, what's the big deal. 99% of all social media accounts are registered for the purpose of aging and then be used in a scam exactly like is contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: a) twitter is a piece of shit web 2.0 item. they are probably hacked by 4 different teams as we speak and they don't even known
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can't be arsed to, but it takes anyone five minutes to create a twitter accouint, link it to a dead website and say "dear mircea popoescu" on it
mircea_popescu: lmao twitter now sucks uisers phone number as a "security" thijg too ?
punkman: antonosika: was the lost key also registered at mpex?
antonosika: That the contract aims at the antonosika that you are talking to.
mircea_popescu: and what exactly do you suppose this proves ?
assbot: Anton Osika (@antonosika) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMPW4E )
antonosika: Still, there is plausibility, and https://twitter.com/antonosika
antonosika: Thanks for the sympathy mats
assbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1NtdDC1 )
mircea_popescu: well, it's denominated in one euro increments, and i don't think he ever had outstanding enough to payu for even one year of college
mircea_popescu: plausible can not be applied to action.
mats: poor guy does look like he may be the real thing. but, no private key, no futures :/
antonosika: take the action that you deem plausible
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (they gotta be homogeneous, as in following the same dir pattern as in 'genesis', to avoid unnecessary complexity in my proggy)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before you start recreating and signing 'orchestra' patches as well, also see the thread with mod6 where i explain that the paths need adjusting
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I hope you take a good ulterior consideration until then.
mircea_popescu: abstent the whom, there is no obligation.
mircea_popescu: it starts with the whom.
mircea_popescu: antonosika no, that's not what it says. the contract creates no nude obligation to pay, which may be satisfied, and then a separate and ulterior consideration as to whom.
asciilifeform: go grab the zurich gold, why pester the x.eur folks
asciilifeform: antonosika: after all, 'payment should take place' and 'only one suggestion', yours
mats: how does that make sense? you may merely be the first to make the claim, and the genuine article did not yet get around to taking delivery
asciilifeform: antonosika: instead of making this argument, go claim the megatonne of gold sitting in zurich since ww2
antonosika: asciilifeform: hypothetically - as long as there is only one suggestion, from an impostor or not, for what account to make a payment to AND the contract finalises, wouldn't a future delivery contract state that a payment should take place?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if he paid out to a random keyless amoeba, that'd be reason to conclude that he was shot and replaced not even by hitler's agent but by a street dog
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:34; trinque: I recall discussion of removing the timestamps, but didn't find a conclusion there
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:41:10; trinque: asciilifeform: I've produced a genesis.vpatch with your instructions which is only different from yours in terms of timestamps. expected result?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja post a genesis.vpatch without timestamps?
asciilifeform: or trinque rather
antonosika: hypothetically, as long as there is only one suggestion for what account to make a payment to and the contract finiliz
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see earlier thread today with mod6
ben_vulpes: yessir, but i don't think i implemented it correctly in my vdiff
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: were you awake for that one ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we zapped the timestamps
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've gotten the diff of your and my genesis down to the timestamps
mats: you can talk to davout, but i doubt he will deliver to someone that cannot prove control of that fingerprint
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to use 'git' or some other tardation knows where to find it.
asciilifeform: punkman: but if your alternative involves my signing of machine-generated code chimera, then ~i~ will not like it.
mats: antonosika: this is related to X.EUR yes? see section 2.3b
asciilifeform: punkman: you are invited to suggest a plausible alternative.
asciilifeform: punkman: i did not say that i liked it.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 15:59:15; asciilifeform: creating the antipatch is likely to require some manual manipulation.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248359 << I don't like this ☝︎
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov what does your turdatron script do with attached sigs for which the message has no corresponding payload? looks through existing payloads ?
asciilifeform: i do not know whether he does this.
punkman: maybe because it already had the file
punkman: was a feature I think
asciilifeform: this actually means that it is vulnerable to to shitflooding
asciilifeform: punkman: but apparently jurov's turdatron accepts a standalong sig with no payload..
asciilifeform: punkman: actually you're right, i misread. assumed that the sig in the text is the sig in question
antonosika: I am antonosika fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. I'll do anything to prove it. I'm looking forward to claim a future contract. But I do not have access to my secret key.
mats: no bitcoin address, think you're fucked, mate
gribble: User 'antonosika', with keyid 86AC5789F93ED2E7, fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat Aug 9 17:27:20 2014, last authed on Tue Aug 26 10:21:38 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=antonosika . Currently not authenticated.
asciilifeform: that it, outside of the ----BEGIN .... ----END...
asciilifeform: punkman: correct, there were extraneous bytes in the linked example.
mircea_popescu: phf do you actually speak russian to the women ?
asciilifeform: punkman: i should not have to munge it.
asciilifeform: punkman: a .sig file should consist wholly of the detached sig
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 16:18:02; asciilifeform: importantly, these need to be detached (own file) signatures. specifically ~not~ like this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000150.html
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2015#1248382 << what was wrong there? ☝︎
asciilifeform: nah just tired of retyping it.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can we wire this to !babbage or the like, l0l
asciilifeform: 'I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question!' (tm) (r) (babbage)
antonosika: If I do not have access to my backup key, and have a new comp - what proof would work to claim the long party as antonosika?
mircea_popescu: what, reddit doesn't have enough to spaz over ?
mircea_popescu: "i am taking this from you because you're too stupid to have it". and they knew this is true, and SIGHED THEIR RELIEF.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think i get it..
assbot: Nick antonosika is already taken.
mircea_popescu: (can you actually read stuff like that or should i provide a summary instead ?)
assbot: De pe cind eram io mai tinar on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpuVgl )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do me a favour, read http://trilema.com/2011/de-pe-cind-eram-io-mai-tinar/ then we can continue this conversation
asciilifeform: iirc that was the biggest
asciilifeform: ^ aha, them too
asciilifeform: (yes, moar complicated, and could - and has - fill a bookcase. but this is the 1line version in my head)
asciilifeform: crash of '29; massive capital misallocations plus natural disasters and misharvests; hordes of paupers demanding to be fed gratis, or failing that, given makework; fdr & co debase currency, make it happen.
mircea_popescu: tell it to me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i know fdr and co.'s explanation of why they 'had to' confiscate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your no shortage of "sane examples" refers to an abundance of "convenient retelliungs"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. didn't say 'no one did this', just 'no shortage of sane examples'
mircea_popescu: that's the thing. technology is intellectually sterile.
mircea_popescu: nothing flows fropm tech except for more tech
asciilifeform: unlike orwell, i don't see totalitarian prison state as automagically flowing from modern tech
mircea_popescu: so much so they all had to bury it.
mircea_popescu: i recall the roman REPUBLIC prohibiting gold
mircea_popescu: "how do you propose to make diff work ?" "above my pay grade chief, but here's a website with code snippets"
asciilifeform: fortunately it is not in my job description! but no shortage of historic examples to choose from..
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to run a country ?
asciilifeform: which was really just 'fdr gets to do whatever the fuck he wants'
asciilifeform: so did the wickard v filburn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it did prevail in the justice of the time, did it not.
mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble" ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: though now i'm hard-pressed to see how fdr's confiscation of gold is illegitimate under the framework outlined in this thread
asciilifeform: but don't be caught with one on the street, yes.