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mircea_popescu: if it were 3.1x, even less than nobody would be underwriting it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you are not reading it seems. CURRENTLY, at 2.9x, NOBODY is underwrtiting it.
mircea_popescu: jurov dividends are shown as the sum of div transactions in mpex.
mircea_popescu: so it'd be pointless pretty much.
mircea_popescu: i'm not increasing collateral maargin for the simple reason that even as it is underwriting is dismal.
mircea_popescu: ie, a case where diff increases > 3x during 3 months. this isn't normal.
mircea_popescu: of course i am. this is exactly what we have here, an extreme
mircea_popescu: so it wouldn't work at all.
mircea_popescu: then the system "would work" in all fringe cases, except nobody will depost 1k btc for a 1btc contract
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves listen : i could make minimum collateral 1000x.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i have no idea. prolly, if any serious hash is delivered.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowdurr ahaha
mircea_popescu: just came up with some numbers.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't proposing it's actual case.
mircea_popescu: jurov i was giving a didactic example.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hopefully the network stabilises and we'll be fine.
mircea_popescu: jurov how do you mean ?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise it imposes a capital burden on underwriters. so it is guesswork
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously it's a trade-off. 2.9 might not be optimal in some fringe cases
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: if you don't know what diff was you can't trade futures
mircea_popescu: jurov like, if you don't know what btc/usd is you can't trade options
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves higher than ~12mn ?
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah but mpex is not a datasource.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves why not ?
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it : you know you won't get less than x.
mircea_popescu: i do like, and i do have limits.
mircea_popescu: that's not how standardized contracts work.
mircea_popescu: so each and every single contract has to be specified independently.
mircea_popescu: they obviously become unfungible now.
mircea_popescu: no example. if you make contracvts any way you want, what's the buyer supposed to buy ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the buyer buy ?
mircea_popescu: you will only get ~half of what you originally thought you will get.
mircea_popescu: and someone makes a contract now which is 0.46 covered
mircea_popescu: now if you had bought a contract back in july thinking it's 4.95 covered
mircea_popescu: okay.
mircea_popescu: how did you figure ?
mircea_popescu: as collateral, to create one i mean.
mircea_popescu: how much should someone have to pay per option at that date ?
mircea_popescu: at which point last settlement diff is 16mn.
mircea_popescu: now, nothing happens until February 2014.
mircea_popescu: so you deposit 4.95btc, get your X.IDIFF.MAR.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.9**4*.07
mircea_popescu: if you create one X.IDIFF.MAR future, you will have to pay 2.9**4*.07 as collateral.
mircea_popescu: today is april 1st. the last settlement was 7mn.
mircea_popescu: let's go through a full example.
mircea_popescu: lol that's a new one
mircea_popescu: as long as someone accepts it
mircea_popescu: it's possible for you to sell at any price you wish,
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: he makes .139 if he exercises.
mircea_popescu: because executions must be allocated uniformly to old and new contracts.
mircea_popescu: no.
mircea_popescu: if he pays less it dillutes the original.
mircea_popescu: if he has to pay 70x this is absurd
mircea_popescu: now, somebody wants to make 1000 options.
mircea_popescu: two quarters pass. diff goes up only 100%
mircea_popescu: he has to pay 70x last settlement in collateral.
mircea_popescu: think about it : today someone makes a 4 quarters out option
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's not just a simple matter of a field.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller perhaps.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ya well, there's no practical way to disclose top exposure tho.
mircea_popescu: thanks to bug's support tesla is about to buy apple :D
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves minimal coverage is discolosed tho, that's what that contract is there for.
mircea_popescu: 25 days out is early ?!
mircea_popescu: much more concerning would be the possibility diff doesn't go over 13.75mn by july tho
mircea_popescu: a, possibly.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: last settlement yes
mircea_popescu: if it's 9 months+ away, 2.9**4x
mircea_popescu: if it's current period, 2.9x
mircea_popescu: Unlike other futures X.IDIFF.* will require 2.9x the difficulty at last settlement for each quarter out, so for instance if traded in January 2013 X.IDIFF.MAR will require 0.097735278 BTC per contract as collateral whereas X.IDIFF.DEC will require 2.383665695 BTC per contract as collateral (all numeric examples based on 3370182 as last settlement difficulty value).
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves : from the page
mircea_popescu: the top you don't know. you know what the bottom is.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea
mircea_popescu: like 10mn ?
mircea_popescu: maybe so
mircea_popescu: that may be taking it a little too far.
mircea_popescu: actually... http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/
mircea_popescu: pecunia non olet.
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: pgp there is no such thing as "money laundering".
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder im pretty sure it's not perelman
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder : here's an idea : make hashing processors out of dragonfly brains.
mircea_popescu: dude srlsy... i gotta raise the reg fee.
mircea_popescu: Average Transaction 59.98743815 BTC
mircea_popescu: !ticker m ^oix
mircea_popescu: lol ouch
mircea_popescu: must be hehe
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm out. have a ball all.
mircea_popescu: looks like a dba sort of thing
mircea_popescu: at least jesse powell is not *completely* out of the financial loop
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159974.0
mircea_popescu: what the fuck srslty.
mircea_popescu: "BOOM. While you've been out poppin' bottles with models, the Payward team has been slaving away at a proper exchange for arbitrary cyborg-alien currencies of the future, and bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: look under cupcakes.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder from 0 ?
mircea_popescu: [\\\] i would hope my sarcasm is not squandered.
mircea_popescu: that seems promising