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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you can't nondeterministically create the addrs, OR the nonces, you're fucked
mircea_popescu: i put it to you bitcoion would still exist and function.
mircea_popescu: this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.
Adlai: this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"
asciilifeform: and this does not apply to the rest of the quiz items ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme put it this way : their problem has nothing to do with bitcoin, but with their head.
mircea_popescu: this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this a problem ?
Adlai: "i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin" << this actually goes hand-in-hand with my suggestion!
mircea_popescu: i don't think it was idiotic. they spent their bitcoin.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: without concept of randomness, it is impossible to explain why it is that what the idjits did was idjotic
mircea_popescu: let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".
Adlai: why? because if they don't, somebody else will.
mircea_popescu: easy to explain. idjits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or hard to explain the 'android incident' etc
Adlai: well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"
mircea_popescu: i do not think you actually have to have the concept of random to have bitcoin
asciilifeform: it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.
asciilifeform: gotta ask something about 'random' though
asciilifeform: 'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'
mircea_popescu: and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.
mircea_popescu: i dun think ecc is integral to bitcoin
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i won't even touch 'b' << I might work on answering the b problems as they materialize
Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Discuss perfect forward secrecy, in the broader context of mathematical guarantees."
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mircea_popescu: what, you think i was born with it or something.
mircea_popescu: this is what learning is : reading the logs.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: well shit, now any shmuck that reads the logs can do so. sorry bout that...
mircea_popescu: there's a science to these
mircea_popescu: Adlai yes but let the answerer point this out
asciilifeform: where did he say the 'directed' ?
asciilifeform: chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'
mircea_popescu: it inquires as to what you know.
asciilifeform: but this is rather like 'don't use division in your proggy because you might divide by zero'
mircea_popescu: well yes that.
asciilifeform: aha then this.
mircea_popescu: which the underlying function is not ready to handle
asciilifeform: in such a way as to make the above description false
mircea_popescu: in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter
asciilifeform: i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system
asciilifeform: this was not the scheme intended in this puzzle ?
asciilifeform: the use of multiple ciphersystems, presumably (if operator is not entirely retarded) would be something like 'first aes with key k1, then the output with serpent and key k2, then twofish with k3....' etc
mircea_popescu: you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F
asciilifeform: same thing ?
asciilifeform: re: the rsa thing, 'superencryption' is the term of art
mircea_popescu: whereas no. this is not said.
mircea_popescu: but you presume you'd use the same thing.
asciilifeform: i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)
asciilifeform: i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit
asciilifeform: though how did b-3 end up there ?
asciilifeform: i won't even touch 'b'
mircea_popescu: dont want too much googlable shit anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is hands-down the part 'b' lecturer, aha
mircea_popescu: ima do that instead of hash.
mircea_popescu: i was aiming for that nebulous cloud.
asciilifeform: mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'
mircea_popescu: especially re the math and cs.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but i have given up trying to fit some kind of earthling logic to mircea_popescu's moves
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0816/7387/products/RigaSpratsAdro160g_large.jpeg?v=1428892909 << them
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform though riga is damn near russian territory, and if not yet, soon to be again
mircea_popescu: just - the broad scheme should be visible, so might as well share.
mircea_popescu: note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it
assbot: Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp )
pete_dushenski goes back to drawing board
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can't picture him choosing to walk usg earth again
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:27:24; mircea_popescu: it was originally interesting, "check it out, the kitsch version of us collapse, 20 years early" but eventually one has enough.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250283 << there's always, say, istria, riga, or montreal ☝︎
phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem" ☟︎
asciilifeform: creates more questions than answers - why this fix, if essential, not snarfed upstream, for instance ?
trinque: this aside from the beauty of dealing only in one's WoT
trinque: it is at this point I'll note for the attentive readers that I parse my inputs myself, tyvm
asciilifeform: 'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'
asciilifeform: jurov: anything in caught in turdatron gluetrap from felipelalli ?
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asciilifeform: !rate felipelalli 1 therealbitcoin tester
asciilifeform: felipelalli: you gotta be in l2 to write to the ml.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im writing this "Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification", bbs.
trinque: mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes
pete_dushenski: "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."
assbot: How one German millennial chose to live on trains rather than pay rent - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDquVC )
pete_dushenski: or something to that effect
pete_dushenski: trying googling 'migrate from tumblr to wp'
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp
felipelalli: I sent to this.
asciilifeform: ludovic xiv may say 'l'etat c'est moi', but i am not therealbitcoin !
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell felipelalli you sent the thing to ~me~ instead of the ml <<< ahahaha epic.
felipelalli: asciilifeform, ok, I'll try :)
asciilifeform: if it pertains to therealbitcoin, it belongs on the list
pete_dushenski: the riff-raff they let in wouldn't cut it in any of the high school or junior high productions i was in
felipelalli: asciilifeform, ok, I'm sorry. I did not want to pollute the list.
pete_dushenski: the local production had this 'make accessible' and 'involve whole community' mandate branded on their stupid skulls, with entirely predictable results
asciilifeform: felipelalli: anything pertaining to therealbitcoin
pete_dushenski: cows with tuning forks up their asses could hold a better tune than golde
felipelalli: asciilifeform, I sent you two things. Which one should I send to the mailing list?
pete_dushenski: ^saw local production of fiddler last night as part of 'the fringe' festival (as was covered in recent contravex reviews). unfortunately, other than a hell of a tevye and a rather lovely hodel, the cast of 45 was unbearably atrocious