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mircea_popescu: i thought all southern dishes that are fried are fried in groundhog fat.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.
mircea_popescu: also hanbot has it : idempotence IS fundamental to bitcoin. but unlike shit like sybil attack, or pgp, which were scarcely used or thought about before we came around,
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: who needs catfish when you can eat cat! in shenzen! << I've heard rumours that the groundhog crop has been excellent this year
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> catfish is shockingly not much eaten here. << If they are too big to eat (i.e. Mississippi river) still ought to be fished for the challenge.
asciilifeform: (see thread)
mircea_popescu: but the frogs were passible.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A
mircea_popescu: students are bums ever since they were invented.
Adlai: buying bitcoin is much easier than using it
asciilifeform: i'm not certain the target clientele ~have~ any money..?
Adlai has found an expert... retires to the UNObtainium mines
mircea_popescu: mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there. << belongs in Biology
mircea_popescu: Adlai : i am an expert in the english language.
mircea_popescu: 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.
asciilifeform: (the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)
mircea_popescu: one at a time.
mircea_popescu: there's been more than one case of people who'd have been much better served through tutoring than trying to drink from the river here.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer" << for srs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's rather like saying that locust is not an agriculturally-relevant organism, no ?
mircea_popescu: and i think sybil covers mitm
asciilifeform buying coinz for 1st time since '12
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason rawls is in there is because it gives perhaps the best approach for average derp to touch his derpitude. the reasoin no discussion of scamming is in economy is because i do not believe it is in there.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You're the car guy. Any thoughs on compact pickup trucks with crazy lift kits?
assbot: China’s ghost towns point to nation’s waning fortunes - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROJeO )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250565 << "At state-owned companies, workers say fewer shifts means their monthly pay has fallen from up to 5,000 yuan ($780) two years ago to more like 2,000 now." ☝︎
mats: and it was only $246 that day
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $190 before September :: 2.52 B (4%) on Yes, 62.36 B (96%) on No | closed 2 weeks 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1JROj8k )
mike_c: of course, i'm wrong at least 50% of the time. anyhoo, I like the list :)
asciilifeform: hanbot: i dare say that the concept of idempotence is key re: bitcoin
mike_c: but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.
mike_c: I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.
mike_c: Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.
asciilifeform: Adlai: generally, this determination is made by.. one's peers (not by amoeba, no. peers.)
Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious
mike_c: Adlai: well then you should take the course :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'
mike_c: hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.
Adlai: mike_c: well i guess i should leave then!
hanbot: would help getting the cert first hm
mike_c: I don't think so. In here is different. Experts learning from experts.
Adlai assumes the business model would be "pay us to troll you gentlyer"
asciilifeform: gonna be tough considering how we teach right here, for phree
mike_c: anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.
Adlai: "all i know is that i know all"
asciilifeform: Adlai: another more subtle example, see the earlier link today with the 'otp was debunked now!111!!11!' imbecile
assbot: [ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use ... ( http://bit.ly/1LtWUeP )
Adlai: "not to know how to count" << for logz and lolz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg11919751#msg11919751
mircea_popescu: how "common" something is in principle does not mean it doesn't have to be on the supply list.
asciilifeform: not having to trust someone else to read the scrollz
mircea_popescu: go run in the desert.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is kinda what literacy is about, i think
asciilifeform: but just about everyone mentally places it in the former
mircea_popescu: (one will note that the arithmetic basic is in pm economy too - the original way to lose your coinz was to not know how to count)
asciilifeform: entropy is squarely in the latter class
asciilifeform: srsly designers of microcomps helped to spread the most bizarre misconceptions about what is rare and costly and what is common as shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not just this! gotta have access to arithmetic, even!
mircea_popescu: mike_c did you put < in there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.
mircea_popescu: not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.
mircea_popescu: in trilema ideally
mike_c: mircea_popescu: you want comments here or in trilema?
Adlai suspects 'deterministic' may be one side, or the other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, too biology.
mircea_popescu: Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!
mike_c: i mean, this is the long-lost "how do I learn bitcoin"
Adlai finds himself confused; must be that incompetence, acting up again
mircea_popescu: Adlai the opposite of "centrally-issued".
mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors. ☟︎
mike_c: not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.
Adlai: this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy
mike_c: i like this thing, a lot
asciilifeform: well yes, but ideally folks who are reading this can try the puzzle first, then see the hints
mircea_popescu: so i'm not too worried.
mircea_popescu: the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.
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asciilifeform: hey it wants to be a quiz
Adlai isn't the only one giggling now! yay
Adlai: tell it to that guy building tin woman out of aluminium, after hall-heroult
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me too, but...
mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals
Adlai still thinks there's more at hand than mere than key *generation*
asciilifeform: i can think 3 entirely-orthogonal that have come up here.
mircea_popescu: aren't 3 too many ?
Adlai: asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'
mircea_popescu: and if we ARE stuck with some sort of randomness in there, contrary to my original intuition,
asciilifeform: Adlai: this invokes notions of 'random'
asciilifeform: i do wish that mircea_popescu were right about this, it would make for an interesting mathemagical mindfuck
mircea_popescu ponders if he took it too far
assbot: RFC 6979 - Deterministic Usage of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) and Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDtz7U )
Adlai: for the l0gz: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6979
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck can one say 'it functions' if i can divine all of your keys
BingoBoingo: In other news http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/organization-withdraws-mu-s-library-science-program-accreditation/article_c7fd93a1-db92-5035-9f29-f31d3408db93.html << The reason was the program's abysmal job placement
mircea_popescu: you don't have to use THE SAME ecc.
Adlai: let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle
asciilifeform: as in, anyone can take anything.