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ascii_field: mike_c:
the beauty of 'v' is
that no server, as such, is needed
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phf: observing it here
that is
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 22:36:03; jurov: I personally got only an offer
to share a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded
to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 03:55:05; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously
towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on
that list.
mats: 'yǐ yí zhì yí' is
the pinyin
phf: mircea_popescu: i've come
to appreciate
the approach from observing it. one person who shapes
the entire
thing, and everyone else works with
the given directions or else operates fully autonomously. people can still form subgroups for short
term goals, but without imposing structure on
the rest. etc. etc.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once
thought about placing antecedent hashes in patch headers
mats: it is attached, my keyboard isn't setup:
the
three accents are associated with
three of
the four
tones in pinyin
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i did most of a linguistics degree, can do certain
things
mike_c: perhaps I see it
too simply. It is
the way for me
to get source code from people I designate as
trusted.
ascii_field: mats: and it always bothered me
that
the
tonality is not attached
to
the pinyinization
jurov: here i would be able
to manage
the hardware with my own hands
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 19:08:42; mircea_popescu: no, v is
the only correct solution
to "windows update" problem.
mats: ascii_field:
translates loosely
to '[learning]
the way of
the barbarians
to control barbarians'
mircea_popescu: mike_c incidentally
the reason i won't recite a
todo list for v (and deleted alf's proposed list) is specifically because we don't even understand yet fully its implication. bitcoin-like.
jurov: just
to remind, i had an offer from my wot for colo but must
take whole half of cage for ~3 coins/mo
mike_c: I for instance have worked
things
to 75% completion before locking
to avoid stalling something.
mircea_popescu: in any case
the concept of "democratic self management" is about as idiotic as it gets. like a one-legged chair.
mircea_popescu: moderate success rate on former, low on later, soft sort of
thing anyway.
mike_c: who will not suffer wot penalty for not doing what
they claimed
mircea_popescu: phf
the way "claiming" has
to date worked in b-a has been as a gubernatorial function, mostly me encouraging/discouraging people from certain projects.
phf: mike_c:
there's a recent openbsd presentation
that argues against claiming.
their point is
that
the problem of duplicate effort is a lot rarer
then lock grabs. and i must add duplicate effort always results in increased understanding if both solutions are analyzed
mircea_popescu: if it is not, you will have rebuilt washington dc. you don't want
that. dead 8yo girls from cunt explosion is much better.)
trinque: not
the list, but say you want
to explain why you did something
mircea_popescu: (that list MUST be kept. in one head, or a collection of heads approximable
to one head.
mike_c: mhm. recite
the
todo list for V :D
mike_c: and
the list of "what needs
to be done"?
mircea_popescu: mike_c my definition of "know each other" is, "they can navigate
the who's doing what maze".
that's
the bar.
mircea_popescu: "use
this signset
to package ltc ; use
this signset
to package rippe" etc
mircea_popescu: in point of fact all
the bitcoin-copy altcoins could just as well have run on v
mircea_popescu: mike_c understand,
there's no promise
that V will result in even similar bitcoins.
mike_c: but "know each other" != "know what everyone is working on at all
times"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: either
they know each other so no problem, or
they don't and so no problem space.
trinque: might not be a bad
thing
that
they do all duplicate effort
mike_c: so 3 out of
the 6 people don't run off and do
the same
thing
mircea_popescu: how about "people who don't know each other aren't working on
the same software, no matter what
they might
think"
mike_c: just like someone claims something on your job board and you put
their name on it
mircea_popescu: no, v is
the only correct solution
to "windows update" problem.
☟︎ mike_c: who keeps
track of who claims what?
mats: i am curious
to know when 'yi yi zhi yi' progresses
to 'yi fa yi yi
mike_c: there are ~10
things
that could/should be done
mircea_popescu: trinque
that spirit is right, but it can't become a "vchain
technologee in your fridge"
thing
mike_c: here's
the problem -
there are ~6 people who may work on V
ascii_field: in fact, look at
the people who ~do~ appear
to need it. how much it helps
them ?
ascii_field: people like
this imho do not need mechanized 'bug
tracking' machinery
☟︎ ascii_field: 'v' is for small groups of
t3rr0r1stz who all quasi-know each other and share a wot
trinque: trac's way in
the other direction
trinque: damned precise approach
to a single problem
trinque: hopefully V becomes an example of how problems ought
to be approached around here.
mike_c: what, managaing a
todo list?
ascii_field: i dare say
this may be an example of
the kind of
thing one doesn't actually need unless already in a state of dire sin
mike_c: having a provable and validated package of code is important enough
to have something like V. not sure
tracking bugs needs
to be so rigorous
phf: mike_c: "dianetics is not wrong, it's just
that you're failing at apply it", aha ;)
trinque: and at
that, maybe it's a docs folder in
the actual bitcoind project
mike_c: phf: like most
things, not if done well
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe not;
thought was you patch in new
textfiles into some directory structure
phf: there lies
the road
to hell
mike_c: I will, but scattered
todo lists in various places, feels like it needs a little project management.
ascii_field: mike_c: please don't hesitate
to experiment with 'v'
trinque: I could see V being applied
to
this problem
too
mike_c: you know, ascii says 'someone should add file history
to V' and I
think, yeah,
that is much needed and I could bang it out quickly
trinque: thing about
trac is it's exactly
this "cram it all into our project" mentality
mircea_popescu is still waiting for someone
to murder get a freelancer with
trinque: betcha not a single person did
this right either, as with VCS
mike_c: i don't care a whit for it specifically, more for some kind of issue
tracking generally.
ascii_field: trac iirc is a www-based bug
ticketing
thing ?
mike_c: hm. I was
thinking for issue
tracking.
mike_c: mod6, ben_vulpes: does
the foundation have any ideological opinions on something like
trac?
mircea_popescu: if
this isn't proof
that people pick
their life, nothing is.
mircea_popescu: they're exactly your stage +2. "since we gotta have all
these llcs anyway, hopw about we derp more"
trinque: but if you buy computers, it's an expense. pipe
to house? expense.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no but reality means
that if i have
to spend
two weeks appearing in a courtroom, for whatever reason, i starve.
mircea_popescu: reality isn't like, you pick if
to be an archer or a
tank like fucking wow.
trinque: sure, you're not
the only one.
ascii_field: consider
that i actually operate an llc (with partner) since '10, and not speaking entirely from my arse
mircea_popescu: the same head
that yields beautiful code also yields legal arguments, yo!
mircea_popescu: you're
the fucking same
thing in a different color scheme already!
ascii_field: trinque: understand what an llc without a dime of income or so much as
threatening
to earn any, looks like ?
mircea_popescu: im
telling you, whether you'll like it or not :
this conversation is
to me indistinguishable from conversation with blondy who has decided "she doesn't have a math head". meanwhile she has exceptionally keen eye for shoes,
to a degree most math heads could not keep up.
trinque: there wouldn't be any if
that were
the case.
trinque: dude nobody says your side business has
to be profitable
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i did not put my income
through it,
then it is a plain
tax shelter and
this lasts precisely five seconds if anyone so much as farts on it
trinque: your side projects are
this llc. not your job