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mircea_popescu: the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <mats> the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.
mats: MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training)
asciilifeform: trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking
trinque: parking's probably hell around there
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do
assbot: Getting on the Cattle truck MP AIT Fort Leonard Wood - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NOmX3w )
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories
funkenstein_: well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots
trinque: probably as some tacit matter of policy
trinque: they don't enforce tickets very well
asciilifeform: trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train
trinque: really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him
mats: 21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes
trinque: here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss
trinque: I loathe public transportation.
funkenstein_: hint: being able to close eyes is a start
mats: sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc...
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable'
funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book
asciilifeform: then - best train.
asciilifeform: because it is (part of the time) in motion.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable
asciilifeform: realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies
asciilifeform: in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically
asciilifeform: mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume.
funkenstein_: megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation
asciilifeform: that means time away from the screen
mats: 21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA?
asciilifeform: potatoes have to be prepared !!
funkenstein_: compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value
asciilifeform: they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner'
asciilifeform: even cheaper than the american burger
asciilifeform: (or 'crisps' as they are called there)
asciilifeform: eaten a couplea times a day
asciilifeform: mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.
asciilifeform: so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three
mats: mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno
asciilifeform: (at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?)
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260453 << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260473 << as if this helped on airplane ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.
asciilifeform: whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head.
asciilifeform: the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap.
asciilifeform: it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here.
asciilifeform: about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins
asciilifeform: mcturd costs a dollar or two.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit
asciilifeform: mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing
asciilifeform: (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own')
asciilifeform: there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie'
asciilifeform: only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop.
asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em.
mats: and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken
mats: the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260497 << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but i think i already told this story, long ago.
asciilifeform: minus all the good parts
asciilifeform: trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail
trinque: I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting
asciilifeform: trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head.
mircea_popescu: or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it"
trinque: sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something
asciilifeform: or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.
asciilifeform: or to work on 'in-demand things'
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market'
trinque: asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya
asciilifeform: trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part
mircea_popescu: obviously this can't be done
trinque: asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk
mircea_popescu: once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl
mircea_popescu: for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess.
mod6: im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs.
mircea_popescu: wait trinque can milk ?!
trinque: had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today - meatwot
trinque: I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that
trinque: entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US
asciilifeform: relative thing.
mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all.
trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all..
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported.
trinque: were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters
asciilifeform: for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode.
mircea_popescu: except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it.
mircea_popescu: it also had no theorems to prove.
assbot: 1 results for 'no theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+theorems+to+prove
asciilifeform: !s no theorems to prove
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ?