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funkenstein_: well i must
thank you for reminding me of
the extent of damage due
to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in
the past
gabriel_laddel: erm let me unpack derive.zip and see wtf is in here
then
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel come
to
think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune
thing
gabriel_laddel: Maxima is neato, but
the ALGOL interface
to all
the goodies sucks.
mircea_popescu: check it out btw, almost like
topless daughter of president
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo!
then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive!
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: is
there anything in particular DERIVE has
that maxima does not? I read a presentation on
the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember
the former rather
than
the latter.
mircea_popescu: they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at
the slightest provocation. like every other case in history.
ben_vulpes: (asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have
that you want but do not have?)
mircea_popescu: but yes, it was by far
the largest affair in
the new world. because
the new world sucked.
mircea_popescu: rome had been a million for nine or
ten centuries by
that point
mircea_popescu: fucking ur, at
the
time of its beheading, was
ten
times
that.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
to
take
that myth away :
tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k.
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have
that I want now?
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, remember
the bar here is set for - is it worth your while
to go slit a
throat of somebody not bother you
mircea_popescu: what's
this mezclado of everything. we
talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss
tech you derp about consumers... different
things yo.
mircea_popescu: fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering
the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940
funkenstein_: the largest city in
the world in 1500 was
Tenochtitlan
mircea_popescu: i do not need nor care
to mention some schmucks 5000 years late
to
the party.
mircea_popescu: if i want
to worship some iron age primitives, i got
the greeks
mircea_popescu: humanity is a
thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad."
mircea_popescu: "they had cars at
the
time
this fuckwit was living in
the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey
thinking
they unveiled
the sikrits of
the universe AT
THE SAME
TIME as people doing
the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by
that very fact an idiot.
funkenstein_: that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing
the world around us
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of
the aztec word "tonal"
mircea_popescu: last fucking
thing i want
to see are some elders harping on about how great
the iron age man was. srsly.
mircea_popescu: dude if your idea of wise elders is some
twerps who worship
the failures...
mircea_popescu: you don't get
to go around putting labels on
things you know.
funkenstein_: i cry for
the descendents of
the fucktards who still bear
the scars of mental illness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously.
those showed some sign of sense.
funkenstein_: how about lets
try
to learn from past mistakes
mircea_popescu: obviously
the white guys killed
the red guys.
the red guys sucked.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist.
that pretense doesn't do anything.
funkenstein_: monkeys are fine with me, leave
them
there -- can eat
them later if shit gets rough
funkenstein_: kill because can? start with own family,
then all plants and animals, finally self.
funkenstein_: explicit doctrines of idiocy from
there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are
mircea_popescu: you mean
the protocols of
the learned elves of denver ?
mircea_popescu: in point of fact as
the white man put pressure on
the indians,
they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food.
this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots
too busy fighting each other.
ben_vulpes: what,
the hungry existed until
the diseases arrived
to wipe
them out?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes.
the sort of disease
that kills
the hungry.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by
the belief
that
the past can be altered. He spends part of his
time in a fantasy world in which
things happen as
they should — in which, for example,
the Spanish Armada was a success or
the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will
transfer fragments of
this world
to
the history books whenever possible. Much of
the propagandist writing of our
time amounts
to
funkenstein_: modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin
techniques have never reached indian levels
funkenstein_: at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked
the locals where
the keys
to safe are before we needlessly removed
their
tongues"
mircea_popescu: but
that's besides
the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable.
mircea_popescu: yes, of
the subset of skills
that are enjoyable, one enjoys more
the ones
that are useful and he's any good at
funkenstein_: yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred
to as satori 24
mircea_popescu: im sure
they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how
to do it"
mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians
that know how
to clean
toilets"
to his shopping list.
funkenstein_: you mean instead of learning from
them how
to farm
mircea_popescu: why do you
think
the immigrants slaughtered
the indians instead of persay
teaching
them
to farm ?