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phf: a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc
phf: pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.)
trinque: rather, the price.
trinque: but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is
trinque: because you're right, somebody doing a drive-by on nginx for a week is more harm than good
trinque: "gittip" or things in ideological proximity
trinque: one thing that clearly would not work is this sort of decentralized micro-payments bullshit I've heard proposed before
trinque: maybe anton_osika wants an honest way to earn back his 3 BTC, lol
trinque: haha! well I know how to write a contract
asciilifeform: i'm sure that some idiot kid will eventually take your money.
trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment ☟︎
trinque: can't compare the cost of edible food with the turd
trinque: yes, though I do continue to wonder how it'd do with an actual *market*
asciilifeform: barely buy a turd from the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: and that the things people turn out to be, in practice, actually willing to spend,
asciilifeform: is that software is a lemon market.
asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make,
trinque: and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done
trinque: if that's the cost, a contract to do the work would have to reflect it
asciilifeform: if this is done blindly, it will be a disaster
trinque: does this require a musl patch? does this ...
trinque: and I don't see this working for a vast number of packages
asciilifeform: what does 'maintenance of the ebuild' entail ?
trinque: could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue
asciilifeform: everyone wants the moon and the sun, but no one wants to pay for the,.
asciilifeform: because ~this~ is reasonably a $k or more ~per~, at quite threadbare american market rates
asciilifeform: this presumably includes somehow meaningfully vetting the published patches ?
trinque: or whatever the conditions may be
asciilifeform: just the fact of it continuing to build ?
asciilifeform: for what, pertaining to nginx ?
asciilifeform: how much, in whatever currency, would trinque personally contribute to this scheme ?
asciilifeform: where does the money in this market come from ?
trinque: there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time
trinque: that a company exists which sells contracts to maintain packages on a certain distro
asciilifeform: whereby this would be something other than a charity
asciilifeform: trinque: what are the actual economics you have in mind ?
trinque: would take a longer interval of pondering to dream up a contract that'd work
trinque: I would agree it makes little sense to "maintain" a package for only a short duration contract
trinque: how else do you get someone to spend all their time on something than paying them?
asciilifeform: meaning that certain things can only be done effectively by folks who spend all or most of their time on them.
trinque: asciilifeform: meaning how do you price that guy's hour vs this guy's, or something else?
asciilifeform: trinque: problem is that people are discrete.
trinque: you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip
trinque: heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees
trinque: perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release
trinque: I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release
trinque: shame that this "linux distro" work is expected to be free
asciilifeform: that is, on top of everything, it must contain something more or less equivalent to gentoo's 'portage'.
asciilifeform: that is, something that will run a workstation.
asciilifeform: the hard part is to make something that is a meaningful improvement in more than a strictly-hygienic sense
asciilifeform: it is not hard to make a musl-based linux; i have this working with rotor
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah, the proto-form of their "less unofficial" distro
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 therealbitcoin www points out, correctly, that certain patches (e.g., asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.patch) are considered experimental; but asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch is pretty much mandatory - node will not sync without it, afaik.
trinque: thestringpuller: with a little more meth in the WoT we might get that #b-a distro done!
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273358 << because that's where they fill your rice bowl??? think, why did i go back to usa after conf3 ? ☝︎
thestringpuller: trinque: cause he's elusive as fuck. I'd have to track him down between his meth binges in New York.
trinque: thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 01:18:17; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274238 "Freedom means a hardline anti-Apple stance. Fight the Disneyfication of computing!" <<< love this ☝︎
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i take it back, the linked item is new to me and potentially interesting.
thestringpuller: eviljarred: we need to hang out a lot more
thestringpuller: he used to be my weed dealer for a good number of years
asciilifeform: back in the bad old days.
asciilifeform: and i think i may have used some of his exam prep material!
asciilifeform: his www has some good encyclopaedic material, though.
thestringpuller: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Omphalos << really wish I had a machine with that installed
thestringpuller: the one day for me not to have amphoros
shinohai: WE THE PEOPLES!
shinohai: Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence!
trinque: shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters.
shinohai: Bitcoin Jesus comes down from heaven to spread the gospel to the darknet netizens https://redd.it/3kx2a
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 26 14:48:17 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 45 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap contract finally expired ? box is dead.
BingoBoingo: "Use a bag to travel that has never been to the hospital and carry proof that you are a physician."
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BingoBoingo: "A 79-year-old female presented to the emergency department (ED) from home with acute mental status changes over a period of one hour. Family reported this to be in the midst of bowel prep for a routine colonoscopy that was to take place the following day."
trinque: given they left the spare drives, I doubt they even knew what it was
BingoBoingo: Also trinque Did the server thief ever turn the box on?
BingoBoingo: lol trinque I've never tried to find the source for msot of these screencaps
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274149 << tinkering up some shaped slag, I see! ☝︎
cazalla: http://voxday.blogspot.de/2015/09/more-social-justice-convergence-in.html top keks
ascii_field: mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt.
mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode ☟︎
ascii_field: but i'm told it doesn't work on adults.
gernika: ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge?
ascii_field: gernika: that was the problem. the book helped to bury him.
FullFlaps: just wanted to say you might be missing an 's' in your last qntra piece title
FullFlaps: ohai, and ty BingoBoingo, davout here
gernika: ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either.
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ascii_field: gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been. ☝︎☟︎
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ascii_field: the third half will write device drivers
phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks* ☟︎
ascii_field: http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << did we ever do these here ?