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mircea_popescu: for fucks sake. funerals should not be fucking celebrations of life. what
the fuck do
they do at weddings, mourn over
the dead ?
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that
their combustion will: create a visible plume of smoke. or,
the ultimate catastrophe, 'auschwitzy' smell.
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to refer
the family
to your competitor, but
that rarely works, especially if you picked up
the body strapped
to
two hospital mattresses, (oh –
the pain!)"
http://www.oversizecasket.com/funeralprofessional.html mircea_popescu: "the other residents of
the drab soviet prefab block of flats always envied ivan ivanovich, for
this inept pretense of normalcy
that he found himself on
the receiving end of, even if in all fairness it was not really his fault."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: satisfied
that
the car is in working condition and also
that it has an engine at all!
mircea_popescu: "satisfied
that he understands all
the conditions and obligations contained herein,
that he is entering into
this agreement freely and voluntarily with full knowledge of its contents,
that no additional promises have been made regarding his sentence, or potential sentences, and further,
that he has read
this entire agreement."
mircea_popescu: t, as such, nor any "progress" in
the sense of "levelling up
to krishna" and supersizing your karma serving.
mircea_popescu: <phf>
talking about it or presenting second hand revelations as some sort of ultimate
truth completely contradicts
the original intent. <<< it is altogether dubious any original intent even exists, or
that "intent" as a category is at all adequate
to discuss
the matter. perhaps a decent approach
towards what "existential" sanely means in
the context is provided by
the "causes not purposes" dichotomy.
there is no inten
mircea_popescu: <phf>
the
translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern
thought" << and by westerners we mean, of course, americans.
mircea_popescu: (i also do not hold
the view
that indians EVER made scholarly anything. nor do i believe people like bharara or
the raj schmuck recently mentioned are part of
the western
tradition, in spite of doing a passible job of masquerading it.
the DA's office with bharara in it simple ceased
to be much akin
to
the US DA and more like a fetid indian "institution", just like state with rice was more like state hence
than like sta
mircea_popescu feels compelled
to point out re phf's worthy evaluation of
topic
that a significant part of eliade's said evaluation was drilling a local dude's daughter.
ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I actually
think one would have
to explore him a bit more
than less
than a chapter
to really offer up a viable criticism... but maybe
that's just because I don't know what you have read and so do not know by what criteria you judge something as
true or not
true (some people hear voices, others echoes of dead philosophers)... at any rate
thanks for
taking
the
time
to look and for sharing your
thoughts at all
ag3nt_zer0: phf: are you just referring
to
that east vs. west chapter? I ask because
though he explores eastern esoterism he was actually a practicing sufi
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phf: hand revelations as some sort of ultimate
truth completely contradicts
the original intent.
phf: another point i'll make before checking in for
the night, is
that eastern mystical
tradition is experiential, a lot of ideas of
the nature of ultimate reality and such are not even worth contemplating until you go
through whatever
the lineage prescribes, meditation, purification practices, breathing exercises, physical exercises,
that are supposed
to bring you
towards understanding of ultimate reality.
talking about it or presenting second
phf: the assumption
that
there's any kind of unity
to eastern sacred
thought is by
the way
theosophical in nature, where's you have a bajilion of lineages all with
their own
takes on what's
true
phf: as far as ultimate knowledge, different schools have contradictory answers
to some of
those fundamental questions (say samkhya vs advaita vedanta's
take on self vs absolute)
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes. one is better off reading wittgestein or heidegger over
the
theosophical
trash... but imo guenon, schuon, coomaraswami (ananda) and evola are infinitely better
to read
than
those philosophers you mentioned - and
they are not at all aligned with
theosophy - except for guenons youthful foray into it as mentioned
phf: the
translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern
thought"
phf: theosophy did one good
thing,
their "members" would do early
translations of various sacred
texts, and
they would make
those
translations available
through
their lodges
ag3nt_zer0: let me be clear. as is probably all
theosophy...
trinque: something vaguely approaching
the limitations around what can and cannot be said about being
trinque: and looking back I couldn't
tell you wtf he was
trying
to say
trinque: closest I ever came
to reading any "theosophy" was Jiddu Krishnamurti
phf: guenon's revelations are entirely his own, inspired perhaps by close reading of some of
the available eastern sacred
texts
phf: ag3nt_zer0:
theosophy does completely fanciful free interpretation based on amateur
translations by various aristocrats gone native. any sane person will look at it and go "wtf" upon closer inspection, but you're still left with amateur
translations. not
to mention
that you need representatives of
traditions
to interpret
those esoteric
texts (what i mean by locals)
ag3nt_zer0: and 2) what would be
the correct understanding
that contradicts his greater metaphysical points about ultimate reality and what constitutes an authentic revealed
tradition or not... what do you mean by
the locals? and would not Ananda Coomaraswamy, geunons contemporary and equal in many ways but with a mind
turned
toward
the art of
the east and west be a counter
to
that?
ag3nt_zer0: phf: interesting. becauseas I understand it guenon used
to
travel in
the
theosophist circles in france until he rejected
them in favor of a more rigorous "traditionalism" - he even wrote a book about it -
Theosophy: history of a pseudo religion - I
think it was called... so i guess it could be asserted
that he was still "unconsciously" operating under some of
their errors but 1) it seems odd
to
think
that a person with an
phf: scholarly rather
then popular
translations).
phf: ag3nt_zer0: i couldn't get past his west vs. east chapter, or slightly after. his understanding of eastern
tradition is dodgy (i see same issue with evola by
the way), since he exists in
the
time after
theosophists's liberal
translations of sacred
texts, but before people like mircea eliade or
theos bernard had a chance
to verify with
the locals whether or
the understanding was correct. (and long before easterners
themselves started making
mircea_popescu: but anyway, got a meeting now, will be back later we can drink
this issue under
the
table.
mircea_popescu: because
that's what always crawls out of woman : a barely aggregated pile of shit.
mircea_popescu: phf
tito was, like stalin was, originally, a hood rat.
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and comparing
the equivalent of shooting yourself in
the head
to cleaning a car is disingenuous, at least. << it is. meanwhile it't can't possibly be ingenious, because what goes on in man's mind is incomprehensible. be it bullet or whatever else.
jurov: anyone knows how
to check for nondeterministic dice? :D
jurov: "In cases where keys or seeds are created without
the use of software (e.g. dice, a deck of cards, or other non-digital source of entropy),
the creation methodology should be validated
to ensure determinism is not present (i.e.
there are no weighted dice, each card in
the deck is unique, etc.)."
jurov: "Digital signatures must use a ‘k’ value
that is never repeated.
This can be accomplished
through
the use of a deterministic random bit generator (DRBG)
that is compliant with NIST SP 800-90A, or a deterministic scheme compatible with RFC 6979."
ag3nt_zer0: and if
there is another plzce
that is as primed as
this room
to offer valuable critique I know not where it is
to be found
ag3nt_zer0: btw if anyone can prove
the "assertions" in
that book (crisis of
the modern world - rene guenon) false, useless, or shitty in another way... I would love it because I read it as
truth...
kakobrekla: god will destroy your backups
to
test your faith
thestringpuller: They only accept bitcoin, and I'm certain it goes straight into
the waterfall.
thestringpuller: i didn't put
that Buterin's crew is who runs C4. Seems like a scam for a piece of paper worth less
than
today's MIT degree.
shinohai: ty
thestringpuller had not read
shinohai: "Why would he contribute
to your
thing ?
This nonsense is roughly equivalent
to child playing with
toy
truck,
telling some
truckers "hey, if you see a problem with my
toy
truck, why don't you come and fix it!".
trinque: nah haven't read
that yet; got buried under
that book on CLOS and assorted meatspace work
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: btw... you make
time for
that 134 page gem yet
thestringpuller: shinohai: no it was
to buterin's friends' C4 certification
shinohai: Wasn't
that mircea_popescu 's response
to princeton's scam course?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: haha would
The Real Astrology by John Frawley be allowed? or writings by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
jurov: ag3nt_zer0: was already discussed and mp put some proposal, but can't remember
the keywords
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: do it; assemble
the #b-a bookshelf
ag3nt_zer0: for
today's speculative waste: I
think it would be great if
this room had an educational manifest in
the meatspace... sort of like an intellectual spartan boot camp
phf: ascii_field:
the way i see mp's point is
that
tito, capone and random schmuck all have same options. random schmuck is
that way for never acting on
those options. capone is a schmuck for only sometimes not acting on his options. etc.
thestringpuller: one of
the
two bands I've seen in my life
that made me straight up weep.
thestringpuller: it's an extremely profound from a
technical stand point, but it's not as philosophically compelling
thestringpuller: cause salivial has
that "remix" of pushit which uses
those mandela pads you hear a lot in lateralus
shinohai: I wish I still knew someone good at remixing. I like some songs but
they are overproduced.
thestringpuller: ag3nt_zer0: yea you get a better feel for aenema's records if you listen
to
the live album. forget what
ti's called Salivial?
ag3nt_zer0: they are apparantly getting close
to release of a new one
ag3nt_zer0: yeah I prefer lateralus as well but
there are some great extended areas of aenima
thestringpuller: Adam Jones
the guitarist used
to work as an animator for stuff like Jurassic Park ( he actually has a credit in Jurassic Park since he worked on
that prod before quitting
to do
Tool full
time )
ag3nt_zer0: thestringpuller: yeah I believe
they use
the same artists for lots of stuff... for instance alex grey for
their album artwork and others for
the stop motion videos
thestringpuller: I
think Lateralus is a more philosophically compelling album, but Aenema is better received.
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: goes alright I am able
to work so
that's good... but counting
the days until next summer
to go on 2 year fuck all backpacking
trip into
the unknown