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mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty.
the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking
them up << I'm pretty sure
the push
to get people into grad school rather
than employment 2007-2011 was exactly
this
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined,
the push
to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and
the fact
that you must spend a full day looking for edibles
to find enough edibles
to get you
through a day. and everything else.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on
to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is
too
troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
mircea_popescu: utside of
the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by
the politburo itself once russia was richj enough
to not be frighteningly poor anymore.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field:
the
thing is brazen and one-sided enough
to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of
the people involved were any good at any point.
the fact
that
the usg has managed
to marshal
the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off
the soviets' "here's
this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o
☝︎ mircea_popescu: (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were
to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself
the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead
to waste his
time.)
mircea_popescu: so i don't
think ~you~ are wasting your
time digging
through
the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us
to do it
tho, because we would be wasting our
time.
mircea_popescu: but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so,
this sort of waste is actually wise and
to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men.
mircea_popescu: they're less
than worthless if you're
the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited)
time
trying
to make sense of
the nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously
they don't want
the actual holes
to be known, but sticking
to
their wants so closely begets failure.
mircea_popescu: e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in
that outpour. it is necessarily
true however
that such finds won't be worth
the expense.
this is not coincidental - consider
the earlier discussion as
to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items.
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth
the opposing view from
this.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 <<
the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about
the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per
the pseudoscience article,
they can be safely ignored.
the important point however is
that while usg spends a lot of money on "research",
the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps
true
that on
☝︎ mircea_popescu: thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored),
the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.
mircea_popescu: tellingly, when
the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted
to protect
their revenue source,
they passed legislation
to curtail border police arrest powers in
the marshes and bought
them expensive detectors for
the border points.
mircea_popescu: this attempt
to reduce program verification
to input verification can'treally be regarded in any
terms other
than, "an attempt
to further entrench
the deals going behind your back".
mircea_popescu: program verification is much more about making sure
the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back
than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items
through your gate.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway,
the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity
to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
mircea_popescu: actually
the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in
the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step
to rescuing
the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.
punkman: (just ignore
that unfinished
thought in
the middle
there)
punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling
the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good
time of it. << I
think you might have
to come up << you should probably
throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in
the canonical rfc
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to prove properties of
the system ===
to express
them in a language with nil expressivity.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field:
the funny part is
that
this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
mircea_popescu: (cables usually
tangle by
the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but
the same process is at work in "tangling a
trodden coil" etc.)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers
to give citizenship
to illegal aliens
mircea_popescu: a classical problem where saving state is more expensive
than dealing with consequences.
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved
to my satisfaction. if
there are
two cables involved,
the non-tangly approach is
to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in
this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so
they obtain max
tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n
tang
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers
to give citizenship
to illegal aliens
☟︎ mircea_popescu: MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for
trying
to use mathematical
techniques
to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael
the Bloodthirsty,
the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during
the years from 1697
through 1727,
to father 888 children.
mircea_popescu: REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of
the National Academy of Sciences, 2014
mircea_popescu: THEY WERE JUST
TRYING
TO PROP UP
THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth!
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Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... (
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mircea_popescu: i get it,
the view you're
trying
to argue against is contentious
to you and involves you emotionally.
this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while
the excuse "im flailing madly because
that
thing really bothered me" may serve
to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate
to previous convos, sorry about
that. How else can I improve it?
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is
this inconsistency you has found in
the holy scriptures ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:02:13; assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile
time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... (
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy
the online card game 'Hearthstone'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have
to
think on it.
TheButterZone if you'd like
to submit
the piece
to qntra using
that angle...
mircea_popescu: moreover, notice how
they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious
that
the place
that will be raped
throiugh "government sponsored cellphones
to stick
together with" is
the us.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course,
this outcome will likely lead
to billions of deaths.
This is a price we are forced
to pay,
to avoid
the eternal enslavement of humanity
to a
tiny elite. <<
the socialist would rather kill everyone
than have
them be humble servants
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything
to bits!!1 because going back
to
the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is
the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)
☝︎ mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you suppose
that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers"
TheButterZone: unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used
to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co
mircea_popescu: people are srsly not supposed
to know shit in
this much detail.
jurov throws his bottle
to kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify
the
truthfulness of it.
mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling
the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good
time of it.
TheButterZone: so i noticed a few users in here had negrated
tradefortress, and
thought you might like
to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman
ascii_field: (and
those produced in intermediate calculations involving it)
ascii_field: presently it is
the only means of properly losing
the bits used
to generate a key.
mircea_popescu: (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of
the benefit of airgapping is
that it ipso facto satisfies
the above security standard)
mircea_popescu: so.
they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for
the
task at hand".
this is great. so long as
the above standard of security is observed.
ascii_field: and if
they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB
to me and another 1MB
to hitler, and so long as
they are not overlapping, hitler does not win
ascii_field: what i was
trying
to say is
that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.
mircea_popescu: any program which allows for
the attacker
to read in any sense
the rng is not necessarily owning
the box, but necessarily not part of
the not-owning-the-box set either
☟︎ ascii_field: it is more productive
to separate 'owned' into
two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like
the
two basic ways
to cheat at cards
mircea_popescu: the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and
the standard for
this is, "there is no way for attacker
to read /urand"
mircea_popescu: the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt".
this is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: the internals of
the box must noit be exposed
TO
THIS STANDARD.
ascii_field: obviously if you use
the ~same~ rng bits
to generate key as you also made available
to someone else,
then you're dead
mircea_popescu: i propose
to you
that
this view of boxen security is inconsiderate.
mircea_popescu: basic systems security is "attacker should not be able
to read
the machien rng".
mircea_popescu: it is
true
that if you
try
to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits