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asciilifeform: this afaik is new. ( 'slowbanning' was a thing in redditland, but iirc nobody had outright 'timeout' ban )
mircea_popescu: i expect they hit their genuine lusers with it about 99x more frequently, but that's just a hunch.
mircea_popescu: part of the extensive package of verbal spin and idle posturing post mp-raped-us 2015 festival, they introduced a "your cat may have walked on your keyboard and you can not log into your account for one week now, you know, for security" item.
mircea_popescu: really clicking "spam" a dozen times is not much of a hassle here.
BingoBoingo: Third picture with the sad lawn is where they are prepping to build a generic WTC tower 5
BingoBoingo: But they are expanding the border wall separating the Free Zone from Uruguay in order to build a second tower there.
BingoBoingo: I will have to dig that up, but it is not trivial and requires having a foreign corporation in the loop somewhere. Perhaps someone with a corp that is offshore to Uruguay can inquire? Depends on the revenue reported and a whole bunch of other miscellanea. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Second photo looking is looking in the opposite direction from the same spot. That tower is the WTC FreeZone where you gotta pay a user fee to get in. May the ISP grow big enough to escape VAT thusly.
BingoBoingo: And for a closer view from my early eyes here, the tower we are concerned with is the fellow to the left in this first picture. The steel and glass fellows in the center are towers 1-3 in no particular order and the brick guy to the right is the southwest corner of Montevideo Shopping.
BingoBoingo: Burn's not quite the right word for my experience with it. More like a slow cooking. But some of the Brasileros even get sunburn. Especially as they head further out east to Rocha. One brasilero came back this week from there with profound sunburn.
BingoBoingo: Hence the chosen angle of the face. My nose is a solar concentrator.
BingoBoingo: Not of the cage yet (hopefully acquire a box to take there Monday), just of my berth and my person.
phf: content-type is a meaningless header, since that's up to client to decide anyway (and it's frequently misconfigured), all the other headers are straight up metadata fluff. ☟︎
trinque: sure, I don't think there's a republican http any more than there's a republican linux
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2018/02/02/fightforbeauty-dont-slack/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - #fightforbeauty, dont #slack
phf: these are silly criteria for protocol ~design~, because the absolute "if we don't have it we'll die" wartime mentality lets you make infinite circles in a turing complete situations. ascii wants the buck to stop at range, i want to stop it at head, it's an arbitrary decision
trinque: if talking about denoting "get headers only" a different way, it's hard to say that loses anything.
asciilifeform: and recall, we (hypothetically) are making a ~server~, not a client. so i'm looking for argument like 'if we lose HEAD, there is then NO sane way to do xyzpqr , where xyzpqr are Important and Useful Things'
phf: asciilifeform: one data point is that in e.g. nginx max_ranges is a parameter, which can be explicitly set to 0 to disable ranges, and if you search for it you get "how do i disable ranges" q's presumably by people configuring web servers. you don't have an equivalent for HEAD. likewise HEAD is part of the original spec, where's ranges is a later addition. it stands to reason that the number of times range fails would be non 0 even with "modern" setups
asciilifeform: i will admit to being at a loss what 'http dht' might mean.
trinque: lets say for a moment we're designing the http-dht-tron. I have a hash, do not have the item.
asciilifeform: who has a server like this ? why do you talk to them ?
phf: so i've used HEAD before, but not in a batch process. i use it frequently for two purposes, one is to verify that the request goes through and server is prepared to send me data. the other is to request file metadata before i start pulling it, i have a curl alias for that.
asciilifeform: why should there be a knob for pinoys ?
asciilifeform: i dun even propose to kill HEAD because it is complicated to implement -- it isn't, as i understand. but because 'nobody but pinoys ever seemed to issue a HEAD at asciilifeform's www, in decade+' ☟︎
trinque: my statement was that yes ^ and also for the logs "you wouldn't design something where $giveMeNoneOfIt implicitly means a metadata fetch" ☟︎
trinque: if it did that, yes, but you don't have a fixed headers length in http
trinque: the range idea is the sort of reductive compromise that's both a fine thing in reducing complexity and completely incorrect if designing from scratch
phf: that's fair, you could do GET with a range of 0 bytes at 0 offset ☟︎
BingoBoingo: So there is a vendor to vendor element of buyer beware.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: that loox moar like it. can these be had ? << It is a sorts local Amazon/Craigslist combination. Stuff there appears attainable.
asciilifeform: imho having HEAD is like calling a radio station and asking them to turn their volume down
trinque: yeah, arguable there's a saner way to get metadata, harder to argue getting metadata by itself isn't useful
asciilifeform: phf: imho 'what, if anything changed' is a q that oughta be answered by a mechanism that can do it, when (as often is) wanted for the ~entire site~ compactly ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
asciilifeform: pretty sure we had a gopher thread
asciilifeform: ( and lol they do have ~1~ samsung in the catalogue : a 128GB msata ! )
asciilifeform: srsly yer gonna put intel ssd in a box ?
asciilifeform: 'support' is a joke.
asciilifeform: ( granted , i make'em out of a mix of new and used components, like mp makes his bmw fleet . but even so. )
BingoBoingo: Well, other racks seem to have a lot of towers. My suspicion on the rack mount equipment is the ever popular trip to Miami route.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is this what it all ends up costing after the extortionate tax..? << The +IVA means the price is before the tax. Gets hit with a duty when it hits the border, shipping here doesn't seem to have a trivial cost, and something like the label printer there just might not be anyone else selling. But $495 for a $300 in the US ubiquity Edgerouter Pro isn't too bad http://www.palser.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=17661
trinque tries to remember if chunked transfer encoding is both ways with http, or only a response thing ☟︎
trinque: it's just gonna be a sad experience, since it has to be a wartime compromise
trinque: anyhow, I will not begrudge a muntzed http server
asciilifeform: tcp gives every allcomer a quite-expensive 'something'
asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i want to write proggy with zero httpism baked in. is whole point of a library.
asciilifeform: is this thing connected through a timewarp into 1990s ?
trinque: in a library http server, one wouldn't implement "HEAD" anyway, would just pass the headers as a structure to w/e handling function, which shits what it likes
asciilifeform: 170 usd for a 20usd label printer, notbad ☟︎
BingoBoingo: And routers, and not jungle cargo cult "Why would you want a network that isn't WiFi?" inventory selection
BingoBoingo: AND we may have a winner http://www.palser.com/
asciilifeform: ( granted this is a bigger bite to swallow ... )
asciilifeform: trinque himself had iirc a good argument for removal of PUT and POST
asciilifeform: trinque: i dun have a replacement, can relax for nao. but would like to know which of the knobs actually do something useful.
asciilifeform: i dun see why this requires a 'send ONLY the header' special knob to exist.
trinque: this is not a serious conversation
asciilifeform: so you can learn a file size with ordinary GET
asciilifeform: my copy of wget doesn't seem to use HEAD for this, tho. it puts out a GET and simply aborts if you ctrl-c
trinque: and furthermore the idea that providing just the headers, which already exists as a codepath, and then bailing, adds mb, is idiotic
trinque: I will not use an item that can't give me metadata for a given path without loading the potentially gigantic item itself
asciilifeform: if you want to know that file has changed, you update a manifest, and other side fetches that.
trinque: think for a moment eh?
trinque waits patiently for a gossipd atop which to redo hypertext ☟︎
BingoBoingo: trinque: Other suppliers list prices, but everyone gets a solicitation.
BingoBoingo: Beating the garbage truck to the dumpster seems to be a substantial activity here.
asciilifeform: it is also possible that this is one of those orcistans where there is not such a thing as a scrapyard, errything gets picked up by scavengers and reused same day ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Still, they get an email along the lines of "I am scaling up my business here in Uruguay and need a bunch of 1U server boxes. What can you get as whole computers or empty cases? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: A lot of the locally availabe refurb stuff is fat guys like http://www.okcomputers-uy.com/productos/productos_masinfo.php?id=4382&secc=productos&path=0.42.108
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines? << I am putting out solicitations for hardware again to the local shops today. Will squeeze in a pricing post today for the Republic's consideration.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier ) << Ah, datacenter fellow expressed some bemused curiosity about the unbranded Qntra machine. Apparently everything else is plastered in brand names because latino rather than assembled into generic steel chicom chassis
asciilifeform: this is a known bug in 2016, and is a red herring, they still get inlined
asciilifeform: i'm not a telepath, but somehow nobody thinks to preface their observations with 'i was using gnat xxxxx, which i got from...'
asciilifeform: in other entomological curios, https://golang.org/src/math/big/nat.go << a popular heathen bignumtron. replete with branches-on-secret, pointerolade, various liquishit
trinque has services that can get by on a pretty humble machine, static HTML and IRC bots
trinque: I would rather see a sampling of potential machines than to guess at what might be available.
trinque: BingoBoingo: when do you anticipate having a final number for 1U of space, and when do you plan on beginning to rack customer machines?
deedbot: trinque updated rating of BingoBoingo from 1 to 3 << went on a long march and resurrected the Herald
asciilifeform: this is pertinent when on a microcontroller.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-19 19:00 asciilifeform: i have 'p' structured such that all it wants i/o-wise is a 'getbyte' and 'putbyte' that operator can replace with whatever
mod6: my first inclination is to cut down as many attack vectors as possible. real or imagined. the imaginary ones can be rooted out through a bit of thinking / conversation with intelligent folks.
asciilifeform: if it e.g. sends random page of ram as a coded dns packet every full moon, it will do this regardless of whether anyone photographed it, lol
asciilifeform: ( on every box i know of , it's a separate jack )
asciilifeform: mod6: these are only a problem when plugged in
mod6: wait, are you talking "physically steal a box" ?
asciilifeform: naively could say something like 'it's a dell 1950, and obummer will know to send the dell 1950 magicpacket' but consider, he will send all possible magicks anyway, because wainot
asciilifeform: mod6: try as i might, i can't picture how a photo would help to exploit yer box ( aside from the 'tells enemy which rack to dynamite' aspect, but mp_en_viaje addressed that one earlier )
mod6: <+mp_en_viaje> if your box is remotely exploitable by photograph... << Well, thinking it all the way through, I guess it's a bit over the top. My first, kneejerk reaction is "fuck that. no pics." But ya, that may be silly.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log << The 8 PCengines to 1U recipe would still be appreciated. Especially if someone can bake them and move them... ( danielpbarron?)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a thread, while back, re physically-compact, low-wattage machines as a sane alternative to cloudism. can't seem to find it in log
BingoBoingo voy a dormir. All ideas for filling ipv4 space are appreciated. And no, Lacnic has already declared making a bunch of http sites each sitting on its own ip insufficient to declare space exhausted when http vhost can be done.
asciilifeform: incidentally i also have a working example of the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644 box, which so happens is 1u high and tops my current list of 'pogolike but still in production'
mp_en_viaje: what is the problem that is being approached anyway ? i thought the tower thing was mostly from a "see rack is sized so" / art instllation perspective
asciilifeform: i even have a couplea left here
mp_en_viaje: we also have a pile of them with danielpbarron iirc.
a111: Logged on 2018-02-01 21:24 phf: diana_coman: ty, i'll try wiring it in, and keep you posted. i assume ada<>c interop is pretty straightforward, though i won't have a chance to try until later next week. suddenly busy
asciilifeform: ( this is not even entirely in jest: a considerable quantity of pogo could fit in a 2u vertical )
BingoBoingo: I may end up buying a consumer tower box to throw in the cage for a photo session and burn more ips.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, nothing wrong with giving it a little time ; his plan is sound, spin up some shit first.