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phf: ascii_field: you're
too sane,
to comprehend
this madness.
the way stupid
thinks in
this case, "want
to sell bitcoin device, can't really make pogo, because no "value add", so must add some hardware
to make it seem like useful hardware." of course
they don't have enough sense
to say add a ecc sig verifier asic, so add probably stolen miner asic code, which is not going
to mine anything for anybody, hence
the dodgy justification code.
ascii_field: the hidden functionality of
this
thing ought
to be an entertaining lulzmine
ascii_field: if any of you lot have
the
time and energy, buy one of
these
things & reverse it
☟︎ assbot: Naviers_Stoked comments on 21.co website has just been updated: "Introducing
the first bitcoin computer" ... (
http://bit.ly/1OM0Iek )
thestringpuller: So you can post naked pix
to instagram
through snapchat using
twitter and facebook
ascii_field: and what happened
to
the fucking light bulb
ascii_field: even for a scam,
this stretches
the bounds of
the plausible
thestringpuller: basically
they are hedging on you selling shit for btc
to make it pay for
the computer which is fucktarded.
thestringpuller: yea. so you get 0.0012 btc/day, and while you sell shit with
the computer it kinda buffers it.
phf: i.e.
target audience is rpi crowd with no unix, bitcoin, etc. experience. see also "maker"
thread
ascii_field: at
the upper end of
the claimed hash rate, and supposing phree mains current,
the
thing will mine, at
TODAY's difficulty.... 0.0012 btc/day.
☟︎ phf: ascii_field: i
think it's just written for "guy on a street" layman. "no you can't mine bitcoins anymore, because it's
totally unprofitable without a giant asic farm, but you can use
this
thing
to buy and sell bitcoins"
shinohai: How is
that
thing going
to mine ANY appreciable mount of btc
thestringpuller: ascii_field:
they are
trying
to use mining as a way
to hedge your investment by giving you access
to inflation as you sell shit for btc.
ascii_field: i lack
the lsd
to properly grasp what is being spoken of here.
ascii_field: 'your margins on bitcoin earned by selling digital goods and services with
the 21 Bitcoin Computer are likely going
to be much better
than your margins from bitcoin mined with
the 21 Bitcoin Computer.
That is because
the 21 Bitcoin Computer allows you
to use bitcoin as a
true digital currency for
taking worldwide payment for your APIs.
The mined bitcoin just provides continuous liquidity into
the system. '
phf: it's got an obligatory "connected
to macbook pro" picture for one
ascii_field: 'Yes, you can indeed make a profit with
the 21 Bitcoin Computer. However, you would do so not by directly selling bitcoin, but by selling digital goods for bitcoin.
That is, you are not going
to get rich by immediately selling
the bitcoin mined by
the device for offline currency, but you can potentially do very well by selling digital goods and services
to others for
their bitcoin. ' << hilarious. worth a read, for
the lulz
thestringpuller: ascii_field:
take compulsory remote updates from usg ? << srsly. it's backed by Cisco aka Spookware Incorporated.
shinohai: So what does
that
thing do
that a pogo can't ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller:
this is just usg's answer
to 'china refuses
to mine gavincoin or run hearnia client'
thestringpuller: You'd be better off wiping your ass with alpaca socks
than buying into
this nonsense.
ascii_field: or rather, 'validation'
to
these folks means something quite else
jurov: they are never going
to fully validate blockchain on SD card
☟︎ BingoBoingo: The 128 GB SD card is prolly not going
to last
that long
BingoBoingo: "The reason you can do
these
things so quickly is because
the 21 Bitcoin Computer includes a built-in 21 mining chip (so you can easily buy
things for bitcoin)"
BingoBoingo: "The product will include a Wi-Fi adapter, RPi 2, power supply, USB-to-laptop cable and 128GB SD card, and come equipped with a "factory-installed" copy of
the blockchain. It is not known how much hashing power
the miner generates."
ascii_field: these are
the 'buy light bulbs
that mine for usg' log-reader folks aren't
they.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Difference appears
to be mouse shit versus moose shit
BingoBoingo: ascii_field:
This is a newer stinkier shit pogo
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> BingoBoingo, you're going
to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like
that <<
Thank you
lobbes: jurov
throws ein kaiser mit schinke << kein Käse?
phf: yeah, we bonded over
the need for more books
that are kind of like "writing games in basic" on one hand, but use sensible
technologies
phf: i did
technical review for it, which was pretty stressful. barsky is a poliglot and writes with a lot of grahamisms, so i rewrote a lot of bits
to make
them more "common lisp",
though i don't
think i fully reached
that goal
phf: ascii_field: what'd you
think of quality of lisp in "land of lisp"?
phf: i guess
that's why dadaist groups all have long history of denouncement, usually ending with
the original founder remaining. otherwise you always have some entrenched fuck proposing a markdown jet, because useful and doesn't hurt and shrug. but when it's
the founder itself..
☟︎ HeySteve: BingoBoingo, you're going
to make Gavin and Mike cry with articles like
that
ascii_field: i followed
the project for years largely on account of NOBODY-else-is-pissing-on-backwards-compat
phf: on
technical merits i
thought it was kind of like if evola fans started writing
their own operating system in INTERCAL (with apologies
to don woods) hosted on
top of brainfuck vm, a dadaist project where impracticality and absurd were
the main driving force behind decisions.
the reality
turned out
to be a lot more banal
ascii_field: i am not sure about
the political, but on
technical questions it was DOA
phf: it's interesting
to see how fast urbit "turned" both politically and on
technical questions. markdown jet? choosing markdown is a copout in itself (there's a naggum rant where he says
that plaintext markup languages are designed by people who don't understand NLP), but why would you outsource something so
traditional as a
text blob parser? seems like an opportunity
to showcase your language's
text manipulation facilities, etc.
ascii_field: phun phakt: it is not a proven fact
that
the difficulty of
the rsa problem as such is equivalent
to
that of factoring.
☟︎ shinohai: I found it
to be a mealy-mouth article. Was wondering if it had been discussed and I missed
those bits.
ascii_field: telephone numbers and Internet communications addresses
to
the NSA
to be searched against
the bulk metadata collected under
the PSP...'
ascii_field: 'In February 2003,
the FBI assigned a
team of FBI personnel --- "Team 10" --
to work full-time at
the NSA
to manage
the FBI's participation in
the program.
Team 10's primary responsiblity was
to disseminate PSP information
through [censored] ECs
to FBI field offices for investigative or other purposes. However, over
time,
Team 10 began
to participate in
the PSP in other ways. For example,
Team 10 occasionally submitted
ascii_field: because usg has
the means
to feed full-time programmers, and we do not.
☟︎ ascii_field: i just
think it is grimly hilarious how everything we've spoken of here ~will~ be implemented in bastardized usg versions
☟︎ ascii_field: 'For instance, bitcoin prevents double-spending with global mining costs in multiple dollars per
transaction (as of 2015).
Trusted
transaction intermediation is an easily implemented service whose cost is a
tiny fraction of
this. And
the
transaction velocity of money is high;
transactions in land are far more rare.'
ascii_field: 'Broadly,
the design difference between Urbit and a blockchain network is
that blockchains are "trust superconductors" -
they eliminate any dependency on social, political or economic
trust. Urbit is a "trust conductor" - engineered
to minimize, but not eliminate, dependencies on
trust.'
☟︎ ascii_field: somehow it has
to be more 'neutral flavour' while yet more megalomaniacal. hence stellar objects.
ascii_field: i suppose destroyers and frigates were
too right-wing yet, for
the new mr mold
ascii_field: 'galaxy, star, planet, moon, comet' << glorious.
they retired
the naval org chart (before
that, prior
to mr mold selling out
to usg, it was feudal
titles of nobility - as in my former 'dukedom')
☟︎ ascii_field: 'let's run same old idiot c-machine but with sprinkle of haskell on
top for flavour'
ascii_field: '... And jets do not have
to be correlated with built-in or low-level functionality; for instance, Urbit has a markdown parser jet.'
ascii_field: to recognize
the standard ++dec.' << ahahahahaha.
☟︎ ascii_field: 'A sufficiently smart optimizer doesn't need
to optimize every Nock formula
that could calculate a decrement function. It only needs
to optimize one:
the one we actually run.
The only one we run is
the one compiled from
the decrement function ++dec in
the Hoon standard library. So
there's no sense in which our sufficiently smart optimizer needs
to analyze Nock formulas
to see if
they're decrement formulas. It only needs
ascii_field: 'With
this mechanism, Urbit can update a distributed system (such as our own :talk network), upgrading both applications and protocols, silently without user intervention or notification. ' << itching
to
try
this yet ?
ascii_field: '%g is
the application system, currently %gall (1300 lines) %gall is half process
table and half systemd, sort of.' << satan preserve us.
☟︎ thestringpuller: ascii_field: so it doesn't actually validate all
the blocks? if I'm reading correctly it goes
through all blocks in "best chain" if checkblocks is selected...
thestringpuller: ascii_field: I will find out when I do --validate on
the blocks on my local machine.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Someone else runs
the real machine your "virtual machine" runs on
ascii_field: (if you
think
this happens on boot, you are mistaken - read
the source.)
thestringpuller: to change running process and storage in way
that bitcoin client is validating invalid blocks...
☟︎ thestringpuller: If VPS is magically changing blockchain
the client would wedge which it has not...
ascii_field: it is rather like 'all you can eat soup' but with no spoon and your hands
tied behind your back.
ascii_field: ftr i don't get
the point of running a node on vps
thestringpuller: even so it's going
to cost about 80 bucks
to sync a full blockchain from zulag or dulap - genesis
to current.
thestringpuller: It's not a raspi just in
terms of power it's about a rasbpi
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 14:37:42; pete_dushenski: see ? socialism is statistically guaranteed
to rot your brain. even socialists agree.
ascii_field: the one and only workstation-class chip
that will run 100% blobless
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 15:28:09; pete_dushenski: "AMD's
top microprocessor architect Jim Keller has walked from
the chip vendor, just months after
the company unveiled a shift in strategy
to reinvest in high-end FX CPUs. Keller quit on Friday, having returned
to AMD in 2012 after most recently working at Apple."