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assbot: Logged on 22-09-2015 01:50:25; mircea_popescu:
the point is
that manhood is not substitutable resource.
mircea_popescu: you can never grow
the pie. but if you can be made
to believe you'll grow
the pie,
then all bets are off, and
the whole house collapses into rubble.
mircea_popescu: it happens
to be proper. see, "wealth impaired" hints at
the (mistaken) notion
that you know,
there's something out
there, maybe you find it. whereas
the system REQUIRES for
there NOT
to be such a
thing.
mircea_popescu: gimme, you know, an independent value and i shall henceforth move
the earth from orbit on its leverage.
mircea_popescu: (hey, is my inclination
to reuse qualify me as a noob lisp-er ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or in other words,
to paraphrase, "the sticking point here, i suspect, is
that you believe for whatever reason
there's "value" in
things. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc."
mircea_popescu: the eldest didn't inherit naught but
the
tears of
the non-elders, and
their butthurt.
mircea_popescu: (think of blair's own personal history - "england is great except for 2nd borns" "maybe you get lucky" "what if i don't ?" "let's make an empire,
then". and after a century "empire work is
too hard")
mircea_popescu: runts ever so often make
the world a better place,
that if
they all unite
the internet can't possibly be long away.
mircea_popescu: what is
the "left sympathy" of
the "West" other
than
the disilusioned of 3rd borns at
their own disenfranchisement ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not before
the "romantic period" at any rate.
mircea_popescu: very similar
to "made everyone a little noble, but absent
the usual incentives
to reproduce - made everyone choose between
thinking and having kids"
mircea_popescu: one of
the many atrocities perpetuated by
the "derp revolution" is
the creation of young men with artistic
taste but without a family fortune
to inherit.
phf: hmm, i see
the point as it applies
to mayakovsky. attempted
to answer, had some promise, but
then chocked. but i guess when it comes down
to it, it's not so much
that i see intrinsic value in art, it's
that i'm claiming
that shalamov is art. but
then not being a wealthy patron,
that's irrelevant. qed?
mircea_popescu: imposed fucking
topic by political power, apparently "women are a
thing" in
their
twisted nonsensical view. what's he
to do ?
mircea_popescu: and also, all
the "censored" "artists" have no excuse. why
the fuck did da vinci EVEN PAINT women, at all ?
phf: well, stalin's art was shalamov's kolyma
tales, for lack of better
mircea_popescu: the only important, redeeming feature of art is
that, like woman, will survive everything. in all
times and places, its
tits must poke out.
mircea_popescu: and in my eyes
the one
to blame in
this failure is !stalin.
phf: so stalin went "to fuck with
the lot of you"
phf: so
the idea is
that stalin was
the patron in
that same old
tradition, simply by
then
the point was strongly made and everyone was left speechless.
phf: i
think a lot of attempts were about
that, like mayakovsky with his riffs on kvadrat
theme
mircea_popescu: note
that
the pope
that da vinci had
to daily argue with was a very stalinesque figure in his own right.
mircea_popescu: but a) russian speaker who b) was actually a master of
this
trade and c) actually willing and able
to stand on his own did not mostly happen
to exist.
mircea_popescu: the
task would have been
to restate
the old conversation in proper
terms, for a very sweet life.
mircea_popescu: my own private suspicion is
that stalin was very deeply conservative, and just didn't get lucky (for
the most part)
to find someone COMPETENT.
phf: imho
the poetry of soviet union was atrocious), so i see pre-stalin as last patrons
phf: why, no. i'm
thinking of, say, malevich's kvadrat, joyce's ulysses, bely's leningrad, all essentially as being
the final point
to a long conversation.
the conversation might be valueless, but some wealthy people were watching and periodically clapping. stalin patronises essentially clean slate, in fact aggressively disinterested in
the old conversation. but i guess i do see more value in pre-stalin art
then i do in stalin's (mostly because
punkman: mircea_popescu: no I mean
they'll probably make a law
that public
toilets need
to have a shitspoon
mircea_popescu: (the sticking point here, i suspect, is
that you believe for whatever reason
there's "value" in art. which is at best naive, at socialism bourgeois etc.)
punkman: mircea_popescu:
https://i.imgur.com/pe5i8Mb.jpg << you'd
think
the us would catch up with
the arab world in
terms of civilisation already and introduce
the water jets. << "if you can't afford a shitspoon, public shitspoon will be provided"
phf: there was a line of patrons
that all wanted same stuff but improved, fresh ideas rooted in
the old ideas, or at least
they accepted
that as art. stalin did a sharp break with
that, so maybe pre-stalin
they were last patrons of
the same lineage?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in
that same vein :
there's no neo-nazi alive
today or since
the war invented,
that would be fit
to be stalin's boot sole in neonazism.
mircea_popescu: well let's not exaggerate, but, i'd say "there's no way
to draw a definition of patron
that excludes stalin and still makes any sort of sense".
mircea_popescu: (i have never seen a
toilet in
the arab world, be it poor as fuck rural or not,
that didn't have a water jet for your ass.)
phf: but
there were still wealthy patrons
then, maybe
the exchange was, well, you seem
to be running out of money and we're running out of ideas, so let's all just laugh about it, and
that'd be
that. in my imagination anyway, pre-soviet revolution is roughly when
the last patrons were living out
their last days
mircea_popescu: (this neatly puts
the "all art is activism"
thingee in its proper
terms,
too.)
mircea_popescu: the behaviour of
the stupid in all fields being by definition about
the stupid, not contaminated by
the fields.
mircea_popescu: in which sense dadaism is merely behaviour. ie, of
the stupid.
mircea_popescu: no more wealthy people, no more art as a possibility, is
the proposition.
phf: d get paid for it", but
then repeated ad nauseam as if
the original lack of art was art itself by people who have no skills or
talents and later gavins, like warhol for general consumption. but it can't be applied, because
there's nothing
to apply
there.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't
think dadaism can be applied.
the original joke seemed
to be
that you can pretend like you do art, have all
the
trappings of artists with no actual art involved, and it was precisely funny as long as a wealthy patron was laughing. it's not funny anymore because
the joke was a response
to malevich and joice, kind of like "if
there's nothing else left
to do it, let's just have artists pretend like
they are doing art an
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:30:48; phf: i live in
the area with apparently "highest number of lesbians after san francisco", so lots and lots and lots plus sized sjw
types
mircea_popescu: the nigger words are magic words which you shouldn't say unless you're prepared
to not be invited for dinner.
mircea_popescu: too bad
they couldn't afford fiddy cents
to find out
that "no, don't do
that"
mircea_popescu: good
that
they paid vin cerf or whoever for a sports endorsement
mircea_popescu: but
there's something structural at work
to do with
the meaning of money.
mircea_popescu: i confess however
that
the WHY is nebulous
to me at
this
time, and
the how come not much better.
mircea_popescu: the bitch is,
this particular space has so far offered and in general promises
to offer in
the indefinite future
tools
to feed
the little biches
their own crows.
mircea_popescu: "Government sponsored enterprises enter
the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and
the evil financial network is bigger
than
the honest financial network, with
the result
that even
though everyone knows what is happening, people continue
to use
the paper issued by
the evil financial network, because of network effects -
the big, main issuers, are
the issuers you use if you want
to do business."
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 21:00:48; ascii_field: 2) siphon
the value and ultimately move
the nash equilibrium from honest bitcoin
to (1)
cazalla: mircea_popescu,
their words, not mine!
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:48:54; ascii_field: (what commercial chip do you know of
that sells as a ~range~ of possible performance ??!!)
BingoBoingo: I honestly
think
these "Bitcoin Computers" are just 21 having stumbled into
the lost cache of
those missing BFL mini rigs and discovering
they were exactly
this.
mircea_popescu: (obviously
the actual
thing won'd do any sort of useful verification, but for academic arguments' sake)
mircea_popescu: what's leftover out of
these deals
to actually do
thinks is very much reminiscent of what's left of a drone's salary
to buy smokes.
mircea_popescu: contrary
to how
the book might read, it's not watson or wilson or w/e his name is
that's begging.
mircea_popescu: "In
the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return
the
two companies would enter into a business development agreement on
the side in which Pied Piper guarantees
to spend
that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hooli’s ad platform."
mircea_popescu: would you stop already ? have you read
the vc article ? what "half of
that".
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:41:24; ascii_field: apparently
they have a bastardized wot as well.
assbot: Logged on 21-09-2015 20:35:29;
thestringpuller: and you get paid in BTC for letting people access it!
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