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BingoBoingo: Anyways, cultural marxism is a
thing where some group
tries
to apply hegel's dialectic but uses
the more popular Marx brand
trinque: chonkin: what's
the
truetrue marxism
then?
the marxissismus?
chonkin: BingoBoingo I was answering
trinque's question.
That is all
BingoBoingo: Peterson also
tells kids
to clean
their rooms and eat nothing but beef. Weirdos do weird shit
chonkin: So Peterson is running around saying Marxism is a form of egalitarianism. And
then saying
that
this stuff about non-binary genders with strange pronounds is "marxist feminism"
trinque: these are people who have reign within which
to define someone?
chonkin: trinque I worry
that Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro are being given free reign
to define him.
trinque: what is it
that lives behind
the symbol "marx" in your head
that you'd like
to bring forward?
mircea_popescu: i suppose running into
the republic is quite
the source of mental dissonance huh.
chonkin: Master Jedi Reagan drove his staff and parted
the waters.
chonkin: Well, ya know Ronald Reagon rode
to Berlin on a unicorn and knocked
the Wall of Stalin down with a lightsaber,. (..or something like
that)
BingoBoingo: Most Americans in
the 1950's live high on
the hog because
the rest of
the Industrial world was bombed
to shit in
the 1940's
chonkin: Even
to
this day, when
they place Stalin's coat near house plants
they wilt and die in a week.
chonkin: Or you could do what most americans did in
the 1950s -- which is
to just run around saying Stalin picked up
the Dark Side of
the Force by reading Marx -- mystical books which "infused him with evil powers"
mircea_popescu: moreover, "the judiciary" doesn't exist and doesn't figure as a matter of course ; with
the exception of a particularly
tenous attempt at empire building by
the anglos, coupla centuries ago, "the judiciary" is ~same as "the bugaboo"
BingoBoingo: Pepe Mujica went
to prison for being a
theiving
terrorist, not for being a leftist
mircea_popescu: well, no, judiciary was entirely inconsequential.
this is just you know, "liberal democracy" wank.
the judiciary neither existed nor figured in either russian politicas or russian discourse. it was an army matter.
chonkin: You
take over
the judiciary and
then weaponize it against your political enemies.
Then you use it
to protect your buddies in crime. I
think jefferson called
these 'mock
trials' in
the DOI
mircea_popescu: turned
the item from state a, "a
thin sliver of french-wankists atop a million village-sized ancestral communisms" into state b, "a
thin sliver of rarara nation-of-soviet bureaucrats atop a unified communism 30mn strong"
chonkin: (To be more serious about
this) Stalin didn't do anything really original if you look at how monarchs and other petty princes operated since Rome
mircea_popescu: it's unclear
to me
there was much strenght in imperial russia. seems more like a collection of rural mini-socialism ("mirvniki", w/e) which stalin integrated. kinda how
this works, dropplets of
the same
thing join up.
chonkin: mircea_popescu I mean *phew* Stalin really needed
those dark magical powers
to
take down a
thriving free market of russia, ya know with all its strong private land ownership, and
thriving middle class :]
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid
that was sexually abused
through
the process of socialist schooling (which is all of
them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with
the idea
that newton sat down
TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and
THEREFORE he did.
chonkin: I mean, before Lenin,
the Russians were highly lliterate,
they all owned
their own land and drove
their kids
to soccer practice in minivans.
mircea_popescu: fiction is fiction, what's
the problem with
that. especially if it's entertaining.
chonkin: From
this he gained incredible power
to
take over Russia and
throw
the countryside into darkness and misery
mircea_popescu: i mean, at some point
there was
this widespread belief
that an island of warrior women exists somewhere.
chonkin: Stalin was
trained in
the dark arts of writings of Brother Karl Marx , in particular his principle opus,
The Incantation of Lord Communis
chonkin: I wouldn't say
things like Keynesian economics is a "dangerous ideology"
mircea_popescu: nor are
they properly called names, really.
the plebs don't get names per se, rather
the ~names~ get plebs associated now and again.
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, what i'm saying
that "the german economist karl marx" is not different from "the methodist minister john heyl vincent" or "the public woman simone farrow" or whatever. i guess if you're related you're interested in
the epitaph, but otherwise
the cemeteries are full of "names".
these names do not bear any consequence, nor do
they last all
that long.
mircea_popescu: chonkin, pm deedbot !!up
then !!v
the challenge string.
chonkin: I just consider it idle economics hypothesizing like any other
theory of macroeconomics
chonkin: Oh sorry. I happen
to consider "Marxism"
to be
the writings of
the german economist Karl Marx. I understand recent history has blurred
this considerably.
mircea_popescu: "Wildly influential pop celebrity with absolutely no intelligence.
This is usually from
the perspective of
the parents of kids who listen
to / emulate
the
tard in question."
BingoBoingo: I meant in
the sense of someone slowed and crippled by excess communion with popular
things
BingoBoingo: ty hanbot. I don't recall finding
that one in
the wild. May actually be new coinage.
hanbot: unwashed poptards << lol another in
the bucket of BingoBoingo's Choicest Cut Neologisms
mircea_popescu: chonkin, i expect deedbot will let you self-voice now, give it a
try.
chonkin: Alex
Trebek:
This German economist was
the frist
to utilize
the unemployment rate. {Jeopardy music plays}
mircea_popescu: chonkin, amusingly enough, "economists" also aren't somebody, so
this doesn't do much.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as anyone currently knows,
that is real.
there's a lot of work undergoing
to establish just how real it actually is
tho.
chonkin: Yeah well
the methods were adopted by every economist after him. We still read articles about how "rent prices are driven up by
the presnce of large
tech companies" and we watch CNBC and BLoomberg on our flat
TVs and
they speak at length of
the "unemployment rate"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: chonkin, most of
that's your own read-in. i simply pointed out "marx" isn't somebody. you wanna carry a discussion with someone, you're stuck using mutual ground. you're more
than welcome
to
think what you will, but
to me marx is indistinguishable from any other blog spammer, for reasons explained. you're more
than welcome
to engage
those or not, but
that's about how far it goes.
BingoBoingo: I'm moving
that
to
the
table. Most folks here work on projects carving out fiefs in out brave new world. "What is your
trade?" was intented
to fish out what sort of
things you do.
chonkin: somehow
this invoked a
tirade of hegelian historical anecdotes and something about how he "failed
to feed his children" or something
chonkin: My perspective is
that we are concentraing on
the role of police in society, which Marx had a very cynical
take on identical
to some postings here. I wasn't placing his bust on a pedestal or defending
the body of his works
BingoBoingo: 2013-2015
they did, but now a lot of cajeras looking for a new home
BingoBoingo: Most of
the Venezolanas immigrating
to down here
this year don't have
thick resumes
chonkin: I don't have a
thick enough resume
to immigrate
BingoBoingo: You seem
to be very aware you live in an oppressive police state. What's keeping you in?
chonkin: Well I have all
the paperwork in order.
BingoBoingo: chonkin: What part of
the world do you call home?
chonkin: Or just roll around and have a
tantrum while yelling "Do not compare me
to Marx!" until your face
turns blue.
BingoBoingo: And
that means filing Marx away
to
the "noise" namespace
danielpbarron: !!rate chonkin 1 chatted with him on dalnet about
the Bible
chonkin: So if your ideas overlap with Karl Marx, you say "ON
this particular point we agree about police and
their use in modern society." Leave it at
that.
chonkin: So I have no idea what all
the public key register stuff was for
BingoBoingo: Fuck
that was a
tighter match
than I was expecting
BingoBoingo: "I am one such, if any others do indeed exist, because ~that is what I am~. Your existence, such as you perceive it, is a minimal side effect of
the foregoing, nothing more
than
that. In
the strictest of senses : your perception of your own existence is merely
the shimmering, distant reflection of a coupling between
the world and me,
that is in itself self-sufficient and has entirely no need of you."
mircea_popescu: nope ;/ still not
the one i had in mind god damn it all
to hell, im
turning senile over here.
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, lol, i doubt
the dorks have
the nerve. probably just magic dry hump.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, nah. it was quite literal, i just don't recall
the nouns so my search dun work
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, do you happen
to recall which
the hell
trilema article is it where i say
that
the illusion of existence or identity randos cherish is merely
the reflection of my interaction with
the world, an interaction
to which
they're neither party nor necessary ?
BingoBoingo: Back when
the US read, "Hegelian" groups sprouted up in US cities advocating a bunch of stuff
that now gets labeled Marxist, because
the Spam was
targeted
to
their level
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work for "RodneyOnern" earlier
today and it didn't work for "Karl Marx" earlier
this century.
the irrelevant circumstance
that some blogs publish spam and some morons became michael jackson fans or roosh v or karl marx or dale carnegie fans/true believers/whatever is exactly as
the word says : irrelevant.
BingoBoingo: Anyways,
the ideological progenitors of Marxism are
the Britshits in parliament setting
the stage for Marx's spam attacks
to work. Marx himself pretty much a non-entity beyond folks finding
the spread of his spam reason
to use his name as a label.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense marx is
the original, one-man "social media platform" slash spammer attack on
the conversation. ie, "here's some bits of
text i culled from
the net, and here's some links, publish my comment".
BingoBoingo: The world working a certain way and Marx mentioning
those workings doesn't make
talking about
those workings Marxist
BingoBoingo: guy's
tools
to
tear down
the functional world on
the idea all bipeds are people while he failed
to feed his children.
mircea_popescu: no, i'm saying
that some random dork misspelling shakespeare isn't a "problem" or something shakespeare has
to deal with.
chonkin: (I'm gonna deal with
this bot GPG key crap, and you're gonna sit
tight)
chonkin: mircea_popescu Are you nudge-winking me
that "every single sentence Marx put
to paper was metphysically incorrect, so don't dare compare me
to him in his wrong-ity"???
chonkin: The voice of a grown adult is "Yes. It's
the same idea. Same same. Moving on"
chonkin: mircea_popescu
Then why
the invective and acrimony>
mircea_popescu: i dunno i have
to "deal" with it, beyond not giving a shit. again, some derp mouthing something or
the other creates no point of interest.
chonkin: But
the overlap *is*
there.
chonkin: mircea_popescu YOU will have
to deal with
teh fact
that Marx's ideas very much overlap yours.
This is not *my* problem. It is yours. You deal with
the obvious overlap in whatever emotional way you ened ot in order
to sleep and night and get by.
mircea_popescu: chonkin,
the dispute isn't whether "marx blathered in
this vein". you know who bowdler was ?
chonkin: mircea
these assertions are like marxism 101. (but I'm getting
this bot all set up and I will get back
to you in a few)
mircea_popescu: and a republic never was, nor ever could or will be anything else
than a lordship. such as
this one, such as
the earlier venetian attempt a millenium ago, such as all others.