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mod6: yeah, it's a shitshow
asciilifeform: or... i've a bunch of these.
asciilifeform: or, to take another, what will happen if a 'nonfinal' tx is again mined ?
mod6: Right, it's a old question, and a good one.
asciilifeform: to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?
mod6: I would agree with you on that. In this chamber, I do find quite a depth of knowledge. It is, however, spread across a handful of people.
mod6: Materials for study are necessary, and the logs yield quite a tale, but something consolidated would help.
asciilifeform: esp. in such a way as to produce a spec that can then be worked from.
asciilifeform: mod6: annotation of trb is a+++ Right Thing imho.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 17:45:48 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
mod6: There is a lot of work re: trb that does need to be done too. Another thing that was nagging at me... if we're to have a "university", we also need materials. And technical materials can be 'trb' coad itself; however, it might be cool to have an annotated source.
mod6: I have a whole list of things I wanna do; actually. Like, finally spend the time I need on all things FFA.
asciilifeform: mod6: for instance, i have a gnatistic o(1) block db thing, that's a gnat bugfix away from battle tests.
mod6: For me, I won't have a fief to preside over, but maybe I'll still submit trb related work.
mod6: I agree, there should be a new one drawn up for whomever should take the helm.
mod6: But alas, The Foundation has some greater goals than simply trb itself. TRB can be one facet of this, but new blood will need to take the ship in a direction of outreach.
mod6: I would like to see trb carry-on indeed. Now, perhaps, more than ever, is needed as a check against wild shitcoiners out there.
asciilifeform: maybe i'm alone in this, but i don't hold against mod6 that he was breaking his back in a salt mine.
mod6: We'll really need to discuss the whole thing at length too. It's not yet fully determined what'll happen to tbf. But mircea_popescu has thrown out a few ideas. I doubt I'll be involved in whatever comes next for it though.
asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
mod6: If/when I get a chance to discuss tbf with him, I'll see what he has to say. But my guess is he'd probably just like us to replace him as needed.
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 20:22:43 asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: but, mod6 , if at any point you find that you take a difference to asciilifeform's method of conducting the orchestra plox to asap say .
asciilifeform: it was a leased irons isp rather than colo
mod6: the latter half of that previous line didn't quite parse for me. care to expand on that a bit?
asciilifeform: we are to set a proper standard, imho, for seppuku.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform had a heathen isp close on him 2y ago. had no (3) personally owned in it, but never saw an lick of (1) or (2) .
asciilifeform: mod6: mp has been providing a++ guru meditation. i expect will say moar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd rather not put those on a heathen hoster, but let's ask the affected folx 1st.
asciilifeform: mod6: currently i'm thinking, we do not need 'liquidator' a la bbet. we, ourselves, can properly play the orchestra as the ship goes down.
asciilifeform: if no one comes up with where, i'ma get hold of a cheap heathen thing, they're gpgballs, ought not matter where to put.
mod6: Well, so the way I see it: On the off chance that we'd win some sort of judgement, even if the courts are expedient, and I doubt that they are; We should continue on our current path. Pay what ever we need to pay back to customers out of what we have on-hand, make shipments, what have you. Then if there is cash left over, make a decision at that time.
BingoBoingo: Even though the contract nearly made it to term, it's still a liability attached to my name personally.
BingoBoingo: On some level once the auditions to see if any lawyers are hungrier than present counsel are concluded, if a suit isn't feasible counsel may be necessary to cleanly send the contract to /dev/null should latecho get combative
mod6: It may not be a bad idea to look into. I just, for what its worth, have my doubts that much comes of it.
mod6: re: lawsuit, i've been following along here since the onset of this. I get the overall sense that not much may come of it, and similar to what MP was saying, would have been helpful to have some attourney long ago, as opposed to now. Especially regarding the fact that we've been getting screwed for years. A judgement might only consist of some repayment for recent month.
asciilifeform: supposing in fact someone decides to jettison a box(s) .
mod6: asciilifeform: fair enough. we'll see, one step at a time.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: why wouldja want the raid card but not the whole box ? << Perhaps a bit premature to ask for this. Let's see if BB can get the back up completed, then will decide on whether to sell the box or have it shipped back whole, or parts.
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 24 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is [http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942437] [owed] and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
ericbot: Logged on 2018-07-24 12:38:09 asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per my records in the months after they said to stop sending more money for a while, after MP's big incoming wire via Mocky, we spent down much of the security deposit as BTC price was low.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
asciilifeform: well, per the contract there was also gonna be a working pipe!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tonight it is too late to get the cardless girl into the building, but yes I am trying to think of something that will make the servers ergonomic enough to carry. Legionaire's kit is meant to be worn. Server meant to be densly racked. The potential to drop a chassis more than anything is what gives me pause.
asciilifeform: nuffin in that rack weighs moar than a roman legionary's kit. theoretically even 1 can carry.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the sooner you officially stop the service, the moar likely can recover sumthing from the orcs. tho , as mp pointed out, it is difficult to picture that we'll see a penny
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: try to get the machines out. errything else after. don't break yer back tho. << Three machines in one trip with wheels went well enough 4 should not be a problem. Without wheels, I am contemplating the logistics as we speak
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What remains are all the rails, misc unused adapters and more USB TTYLs, The Rockchip plant, a small mountain of power and network cables, the rackmount power strip, the two switches, and the following 1U servers that will need wheeled out:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform and everyone else: All disks are out of the rack with the exception of the RockChip kernel SD cards. Maybe a couple of unused RK spare are hiding in the bilge box. A variety of miscellaneous was recovered as well including the KVM, a couple handfuls of USD ttyls, the unsealed FUCKGOATs that were plugged into RockChips, and for sentimental value the Qntra/DNS server I flew into the country with because it's tiny ass fit in
asciilifeform genuinely bbl, in a bit
asciilifeform: diana_coman: know that not in erry box can one even put FG, even if orc willing to open it -- needs a pad of space. asciilifeform deliberately chose such boxes as had this space.
asciilifeform: 'lately spring broke, from cold, / like from prison, once more, / by mistake once i let out a word: / 'friend, leave a little to smoke!' / silence -- was all i heard, as he never returned from the war.'
asciilifeform sat down to read some ossasepia while waiting for a compile, and then 'damn, it was on piz!', and qntra, it's like having 4+ phantom limbs...
asciilifeform: a.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i made same mistake the other day, was convinced i had made a broken patch
diana_coman: asciilifeform: nm, found the trouble, it was corrupted sig file on my end; sorry about the trouble, it's been a long day here.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is tru, when i was 7yo also 'had time to think for 100d' but what resulted in was of course not worth to print anywhere ('a good bear but not a good dancer', who wants a 7yo's home-baked diode? )
asciilifeform: which is why when i encounter a fella like shinohai, who has 100% of his time, it boggles my mind that he hasn't built a thermonuclear dirigible simply as a side effect of basic fucking metabolism
asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
lobbes: asciilifeform: interesting re: kuklachev (I had never heard of him). And I see what you mean, though even when found what a certain cat is willing to do, still must train that cat. I do enjoy what I do/have done here so far, just... I still have much to learn
asciilifeform: they were thought to be untrainable. but turned out that erry cat had a performance that he's willingly do. was matter of finding.
asciilifeform: fella ran a circus in moscow. with housecats .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << lobbes , i am prolly the slowest pair of hands here, mp never once misses a chance to remind of this...
diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I don't have box ready for this (I wasn't actually prepared for pizarro death, what can I say) + I'd rather know a bit more about those to whom I'm sending boxes, dunno.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it ~always makes moarsense to physically send in a box, esp. if you have box already. costwise too.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while they were willing to talk/ask someone else to come and talk to this weird woman, they were utterly shocked at ~any request; to the point of 4min silence followed by a total change of subject
lobbes: Add in the feedback cycle, digging into mpwp mysql guts, new additions to spec tacked on (here I would link to various documented pieces on blog, if I had a working one) and I don't come anywhere close to 5-hours. It will be serving Trilema, and it is needed to be correct in one go; no do-overs. My reputation's on the line here. Spot of work my foot!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:54:16 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1942027 << this strikes me as utterly insane, for a spot of work that in my book counts to about 5 man-hours.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942398 -neah, Reading near London; there are a few data centers right next door, it's a rather active area in this sense.
asciilifeform: to drive a coupla km once in a leap year is perhaps tolerable.
diana_coman: myeah but a bit too many potentially + having to get to it is yet another thing on top of a huge pile
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 16:09:51 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if yer box is in a place you can potentially physically get to -- the reqs for the innkeeper are much looser potentially
asciilifeform: for 'expendable' parking spot, almost anyffin is worth a test, imho
diana_coman: it *is* poor site; but a. still better than no site b. for diversity/maybe finding some actual people it may still work
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a++
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rk per se is perhaps the least expensive piece in there, asciilifeform for instance is sitting on a crate of 16 new ones right here and presently nfi what to do with'em
BingoBoingo: Well, the width makes it a challenge for that. Back bag only so tall. Strongly disinclined to leave it open an take the astronomicly small chance pichi blazed out on pasta base gets unusually curious/bold.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He had a bouncer on UY1
asciilifeform: fella's gonna come back to a 2MB log read, it seems
ossabot: trinque last seen in #trilema on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
ossabot: trinque last seen here on 2019-10-03 22:53:34: sorry for the gagged deedbot meanwhile; that outage caught me in the middle of a multi-channel experiment
BingoBoingo stretching a bit before I roll again. Tweaked hip a bit unloading cart
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 15:59:48 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942598 << ftr asciilifeform can afford to feed a 3-4hundy cow. but so long as in fact gives milk. and still seems steep imho .
asciilifeform: well that 1 didn't. and only occupied a switch hole even when was operating.
mp_en_viaje: there's no real reason it should take a u rly.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw the 1 i purchased for piz, didn't even occupy a rack slot, it was ultracompact matchbox-cum-wires thing
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.
asciilifeform: i dunno who these people think they are, to ask for half the cost of a whole flat, for 1u. but so far these.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 13:27:36 asciilifeform: again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942530 << i don't see a problem with it, provided it doesn't become a complicated game of not enough coin etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 13:28:26 asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-08 12:31:23 asciilifeform: some places immediately seem broken tho. e.g. asciilifeform only needed a day in bucharest to understand that would not want to live there.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 06:37:31 mp_en_viaje: lobbes, when is it you'll need a server to sit down orchestra on ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-07 13:06:49 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941226 << The 'first chunk' which spits lines into the mpwp db should be complete by the end of this month (as in patched and ready to go). That's a conservative estimate as well; hopefully sooner.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-07 21:34:35 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941357 << i meant the whole thing, when you're ready to make delivery and i hafta have a server ready for you to do this on.