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mircea_popescu: old woman that never had children ?
asciilifeform: then what does it mean? work through the example with the old woman, for my education
asciilifeform: 'beating' here as proxy of 'nobody needs a you for anything, find a way to stop being you'
mircea_popescu: yes, young people you can straighten out whether they want to or not.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. so now you can look upon teh priors as such.
asciilifeform: not precisely. more that ~redemptive humiliation~ only exists for young woman.
mircea_popescu: what, you think humiliation ends life ?
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2015 16:38:17; mircea_popescu: forget about it. go up to every woman over 50 you run into, kneel before her, kiss her shoes, beg her to give you something to do. explain that you have made such a mess of your life, this is actually the only sane avenue out.
mircea_popescu: i diagnosed the patient's evaluatory mechanism as terminated.
asciilifeform: well you were the one who diagnosed the patient as terminal, no ?
mircea_popescu: also happens to be how various nuts end up at the doctor. "what i do doesn't work" "don't do that" "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!??!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: which is the original complaint you formulated
mircea_popescu: the problem with diseased mental states is that THEY ARE IMPRODUCTIVE.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with diseased mental states is not that they don't have their own, often very well drawn out, self-consistent "logic".
asciilifeform: 'this problem will not be solved for you personally, pray that your grandchildren get to live like people' <--> 'but i don't want to have children, i want to live like people ~myself~' ☟︎
asciilifeform: actually the logic is there, even if mircea_popescu does not see it.
pete_dushenski: waaay bigger scam than even de beers
mircea_popescu: i wonder if one could make money with a new-age-y brand of "swarovki" crystals that you... personalize.
mircea_popescu: "insert and twerk"
mircea_popescu: certainly no vagina. thinking of this... i wonder how vaginal diamond polishing would work.
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2015 16:20:12; asciilifeform: i'd trade it all for pen, paper, and zero orcs
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, the problem is the broken brain that fails to comprehend how spoons work is also unsurprisingly going to incorrectly evaluate suicide as an option.
mircea_popescu: the case here is, schmuck : when i drink coffee, my eye hurts. commander : take the spoon out of cup before driniking. schmuck : i would rather kill myself.
asciilifeform: entirely similar. schmuck: 'i have a problem.' commander: slides pistol with one round across the table
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will be delighted to learn that we already had this algo. it was called 'the last bullet health, life, and retirement pension co.'
mircea_popescu: never you mind how she does it. you're the clay.
mircea_popescu: no, see, it is not your job to contribute anything intellectually to this.
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2015 16:15:41; mircea_popescu: omaigawd these idiots with forcing cigarette packs to depict whatever valuable messages.
asciilifeform: how does the >50 woman produce the kids ?
mircea_popescu: no, that's exactly what happens. his worthless existence is forfeit, but he'll hopefully have some kids a little less retarded than him
asciilifeform: how does this work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: work this example. so schmuck sat down on this broomstick. now what happens ?
mircea_popescu: there's no rule that you must LIKE IT.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu offers the broomstick !
mircea_popescu: forget about it. go up to every woman over 50 you run into, kneel before her, kiss her shoes, beg her to give you something to do. explain that you have made such a mess of your life, this is actually the only sane avenue out. ☟︎
asciilifeform: let's have a programmer, of some skill, no social net, no savings, pays 100K rent to make 120K in some godforsaken saltmine, in usa ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so make the situation up.
asciilifeform: nah, this is cheating
mircea_popescu: so what exactly is the start situation, 25 derp with 100k in college debt, no skills, no resources, no social net, in the middle of a shitland like the us ?
asciilifeform: and 'fly to mars on your farts, find phreedom there!' a 0.0
asciilifeform: with 'yes you can take the finger out of the socket!' being a 1.0
mircea_popescu: depends. what's the example gonna be scored on ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu makes it sound like 'these morons are stuffing their fingers into mains sockets, all they gotta do is stop!'
mircea_popescu: so yes, you're right : the idiot-poor imagine that the source of their misfortune is the malfeasance of a ~particular~ event, rather than the large clump of shit they carry around on their shoulders. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this'd be more like the uv background in new zealand.
mircea_popescu: up to your stupid head.
mircea_popescu: and fire as a class has not removed the option of keeping the bulk of your skin.
asciilifeform: but bulldozer shops, as a class, have not removed the option of keeping the bulk of my paycheque.
mircea_popescu: you have to have deals between them to allow each to get what he wants.
mircea_popescu: some people want to go all in. some do not.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : at the time the sale completed you didn't know who is pulling the dud. they thought they got equal value.
asciilifeform: same from the white man's pov. the indians, of course, laughed, because they had no intention of vacating
mircea_popescu: or moreover, perhaps, but i don't think you have the right idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu knows the old legend of how manhattan was sold ?
mircea_popescu: "it was better". i'm sure. until it is and all you can think of is how to trade dad's old house for two shiny new ipads and a van.
mircea_popescu: fine, so you did without this, and that. now you do without this other and that other. so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we did without", is the answer, if the guy;'s not too much of an intellectual coward and the matter's even considered.
mircea_popescu: yes, "all the girls were happy and all the boys lalala". but did they know how to suck cock ?
mircea_popescu: i've had this discussion with old folk in romania. they have a very distinct FEEL for the old style settled village life in that space. i have a very precise understanding of it, because they're cows and i'm the young lord. nevertheless, the point stands :
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mircea_popescu: for a co2 this is hard work. from each according to his complexitits.
asciilifeform: hey all the co2 needs is to sit in the sun...
mircea_popescu: but we can't pretend like this.
mircea_popescu: "all my grandcarbons traded soot for gaseous form, said the co2. and given half a chance, i'll trade it right the fuck back, said he. and so it was, and had been a number of times prior.)
asciilifeform: but let's pretend grandfather had lived in usa. there, folks paid for five-room house what today a schmuck pays for a car. (sums converted per any algo you like)
mircea_popescu: (note that the 0 orcs in THAT case comes from lack of differentiation. there's a lot fewer retarded children at 2 weeks than at 2 years of age. guess why ?)
asciilifeform: grandfather traded; i - given half a chance - will trade right fucking back.
asciilifeform: nobody's showing up with time machine and asking 'wanne be peano?'
mircea_popescu: your grandfather traded the pen paper and 0 orcs for this, and this is what you have.
mircea_popescu: they are, much like the jet, mere prongs. extensions. that require the whole story, and the whole story is that finance.
asciilifeform: i'd trade it all for pen, paper, and zero orcs ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. because none of the tools you hoard, your grandfather could have had.
asciilifeform: whereas i pay to live in shithole.
asciilifeform: rentierism is not this inescapable thing, like oxidation.
mircea_popescu: i know, i know, "british researches discover antioxidants hold secret to eternal lyf"
mircea_popescu: the existence of landlords as a class is no more to their detriment than the existence of fire as a phenomena.
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2015 13:49:52; mircea_popescu: this is like saying the mcdonalds makes a tidy living off giving out wrong change.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301653 << correct. the idiot-poor imagine that the source of their misfortune is the malfeasance of a ~particular~ landlord. rather than the existence of landlords as a class. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: manufacturers are putting stuff like "it's what's inside that counts" on the remaining space and winning with it.
mircea_popescu: omaigawd these idiots with forcing cigarette packs to depict whatever valuable messages. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: e. this is a very vulnerable position to be in, and it requires immediate and insistent attention.
mircea_popescu: it's not like i hate you or anything. the problem is that you're intellectually imuno-compromised so to speak, by which i mean : you get ideas, which is fine, but also a common function of the human mind. but then when you go to evaluate them, your evaluator is broken, and when the evaluator is called into question it's discovered in turn that the building blocks are also broken and in turn the building blocks for thos
assbot: Logged on 18-10-2015 14:40:40; pete_dushenski: HeySteve in large part, that's why ~people~ hang around here : the bluntness
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-10-2015#1301783 <<< Better for self-improvement, no? We can go back to reddit and have fellow narcissistic trolls tell you "it's not you, it's them." Now with more upboats for your feels. ☝︎
HeySteve: pete_dushenski well I agree, it has made things clearer. helps me when approaching people who won't speak their mind, knowing how they will might it.
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pete_dushenski: http://qz.com/523746/a-photographer-edits-out-our-smartphones-to-show-our-strange-and-lonely-new-world/ << the pictures of the kids are the saddest
pete_dushenski: HeySteve in large part, that's why ~people~ hang around here : the bluntness ☟︎
HeySteve: well, that's a bit blunt but I'll certainly consider the objections and problems.
mircea_popescu: so let's talk of something else.
mircea_popescu: not only is this a horrible idea, but it is my considered opinion that you are very far yet from the intellectual maturity that'd allow you to marry, let alone raise children, and that running any kind of business is many many years in the future AFTER THAT.
HeySteve: and that's mostly the costly stuff, although trying to think of exceptional cases of subtle but costly damage
HeySteve: but if someone uses the microwave as a BBQ (happens here) then it's clear
mircea_popescu: you can tell if dirtyness occurs from amateur shot digicams ?!
HeySteve: so you can say if damages or dirtiness occur and tenant loses fair cost to fix that, or landlord is trying to pull a fast one and doesn't get to keep deposit
mircea_popescu: what do you do when the landlord and the tenant each upload a video and they don't even look like they come from the same place ?
mircea_popescu: so ima spend two hours shooting amateur footage to (maybe!) save 60 bucks a year from now ?
HeySteve: the evidence thing, at start and conclusion of contract, tenant and landlord document condition of property with photo and video
mircea_popescu: except they already did that and are lying about it now.
shinohai: "Dear Mr. Landlord: I knew you were probably gonna keep my deposit anyway, so I just went ahead and trashed up the place good so you can keep the deposit."