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ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310803 << last i heard, this costs money. ☝︎☟︎
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assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 14:20:46; asciilifeform: but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310797 <<< its gay if panels are touching. i think you could hardly consider parts actually isolated from each other if they're in physical proximity ☝︎☟︎
phf: vulpes_a_hopital: edi weitz's code only recently got its own github repos when others took over the maintenance (mostly to ensure that it can be packaged into quicklisp). but a canonical place for cl-ppcre (and a handful of other lisp packages for doing "modern" programming) is http://weitz.de/lisp.html
phf: hipster programmer, hates github, goes to github to read package documentation
vulpes_a_hopital: davout: learning to play that software is a pretty long journey
davout: vulpes_a_hopital: lol nice, the cheatsheet is like 4 pages long !1
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 13:47:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it
vulpes_a_hopital: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310756 << perhaps i lose sight of what it is to "be rich", but all one must do is...not send the kids off to socialist day camp. ☝︎☟︎
vulpes_a_hopital: wankery aside, it's a nifty interface to the engine
davout: "store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set" <<< i thought emacs could *generate* bach fugues
asciilifeform: but if they do not, then the ~constellation~ of machines on which they happen, or at the very least, their control panels, are to then be called 'the workstation'. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is not, i will note, essential that all of these things happen on the ~same~ cpu
asciilifeform: e.g., to walk the blockchain, verify a raid array 24/7 in a loop, handle six parallel compiles; store and play the correct bach fugue depending on what emacs modeline is set; etc.
asciilifeform: a ~workstation~ is one particular kind. and it means different things to different people, yes.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:46:02; davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer
asciilifeform: nothing in there about 'context'.
asciilifeform: (which is, roughly, that the 'leaks' thus far are 1% good stuff - e.g., the ANT catalogue, the ECI directorates list, and that's pretty much IT - while the remainder is 9 parts cheapo operational garbage to 1 part deliberate disinfo)
thestringpuller: ;;later tell ben_vulpes via a series of tubes
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:59:49; mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310745 << i read this piece but do not grasp how it relates to my position on *leaks ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: just populate them with whatever needs to be running, ever. preferably at boot.
asciilifeform: e.g., if you can have 48 'cores' there is NO REASON TO HAVE A SCHEDULER
asciilifeform: though perhaps this is a good time to remind people that a sane computer would look quite like an msdos box in some ways
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ THIS is why not msdos.
asciilifeform: because the box COULD CRASH
asciilifeform: i still recall the days when a developer would spend an hour a day WAITING FOR REBOOTS
asciilifeform: and the requisite hardware to drive it.
asciilifeform: the other half of what it means is NUKING as much as possible of the share of your life spent waiting for your hands to move viewports around, and the like.
asciilifeform: ~this~ is part of what 'workstation' means. minimizing the hours of your life BURNED waiting for a cpu.
asciilifeform: how much of his life does mircea_popescu spend waiting for compiles? for numbers to crunch? and i specifically mean WAITING FOR A MACHINE not for a human operator to get his shit together
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:46; mircea_popescu: "sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..."
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:39:35; mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310723 << your thinkpad is faster than half of the machines in the room from which i'm posting. but 'workstation' has specific meaning. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:47; davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310704 << the n00b put in front of von neumann machine is told that the deterministic circuits will behave... well, deterministically. then five minutes later he learns about threads and the scheduler, and then never believes anyone again.. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: there is the basic truth, and there is, on top of it, a massive 'field' of exercises in self-delusion (e.g., 'whitening.') ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2013 03:41:29; asciilifeform: the essential, non-negotiable property of an rng suitable for crypto is that its output must not be readily available to the enemy.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:30:04; mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310702 << i don't regard the subject as a box of mysteries. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 09:27:34; mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310695 << basic idea: go and try to actually TEST, e.g., gpg key generator. as in, deterministically. this is nontrivial - gotta saw off the entropy collector and replace with something. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310644 << goes great with mircea_popescu's 'everyone thinks he's a baron now' thing ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 07:47:18; mircea_popescu: "0. The diagnosis will make the parents want to try and help the child. This is axiomatic. No parent with access to services will be told their kid has a diagnosis of "PDD" or Asperger's and say, "not interested, let's wait a few years and see how this goes." Once a diagnosis is made, the psychiatric juggernaut is activated. " << no MOTHER.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310642 << phun phakt - if you have children in usaschwitz, and aren't rich - this is SOP and there is FUCK you can do about it ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 04:14:23; BingoBoingo: "The first reason was that woman's abdominal body fat decreased their own sexual desire on a hormonal level, which would hamper libido. The second reason could be that men simply found slimmer women more attractive and thus had fewer problems in the bedroom."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310341 << dan mocsny got there first. (along with prolly every single fella who took the pill, knowing the secret of the why.) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 03:35:30; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this putative is seemingly without answer is because it is castrated. what tlp would do if he realised what's wrong with his head depends on WHY HE REALISED. what would the pubescent girl do if she matured ? nothing the pubescent girl can do BECAUSE maturation is DRIVEN by the VERY DEED! once she finds a boy she loves she will both be a woman and know what to do ; once tlp AC
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2015#1310319 << how's this work? tlp is not a cocooned insect / teenage gurl, waiting to transform into some other type of creature, but - at least if his writing is any clue - a grown man with many-figured bills to pay. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: yes, man doing the job of a machine because he is cheaper than the requisite machine - like the barge-men of the volga, pulling the rope with their own muscle, were cheaper than mules - needs to be 'conscientious' ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 06:35:59; mircea_popescu: "conscientiousness", really ? might as well score 19yo hussies by their understanding of the theses of the 18th congress.
mircea_popescu: wherein tlp sides with alf in the alf-mp debate over assange/wikileaks etc, but wherein tlp also SHOWS (do, don't tell!) the fundamental weakness of that position. "oh truth without context isn't truth [and let's not mention how this is only because our science isn't actually science - if it were this problem wouldn't exist, but since it isn't then NECESSARILY wikileaks can only be true]". ☟︎
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: 3 Important Things About The New Wikileaks Controversy ... ( http://bit.ly/1LDHYew )
mircea_popescu: "That's the difference between Wikileaks and the regular press. For the reporter, climate change is not a scientific question, or else it wouldn't matter what cables get released. It's a political one, in which competing narratives are bolstered by circumstantial evidence and appeals to authority and control of the debate." << epic. from http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/05/3_important_things_about_the_n.html
mircea_popescu: the reason there existed ten thousand types of typewriter and exactly one ibm xt is that typewriters suck.
mircea_popescu: and generally, the more power, the more power law.
mircea_popescu: globalization's a thing. market competition is a thing. there will be always a dominant type of anything.
mircea_popescu: table: yes, you're hot, but you don't look like Rachel, you look like the other hot chick right next to you. And, bafflingly, you did it on purpose."
mircea_popescu: "most hot chicks, in order to be hot, copy something a celebrity wears; remember the Rachel-do? No problem, they look hot in it; but their delusion is that they are referencing Jennifer Aniston and not the millions of other women with the exact same haircut, i.e. that they draw their identity only from the celebrity's identity-- "This look really says me!" Yet sit along the wall of the bar and the conclusion is inevi
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, only one kind of state.
davout: i don't really see why there should be only one kind of computer ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, all this aside : digging out the whole rng story is a huge hot core of useful, important inquiry.
mircea_popescu: (also, the RNG content of a computer is not strictly found in a box labeled such).
mircea_popescu: davout yeah the rng.
mircea_popescu: b) is obviously "a girlfriend that's also god". of course.
mircea_popescu: but the more interesting question is twinfold : a) why would you not think of a calculator as the omega of computing and b) what would be the omega of computing then ?
davout: the RNG in the computer?
mircea_popescu: well, acceptable or not im pretty much persuaded it's something that must be in there.
davout: i'm not saying that being a calculator should be the alpha and omega of computing, just that for crypto purposes it's probably better to not think of a RNG as something acceptable
mircea_popescu: "sure, if you're mp you can get by with this, but..." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i got a perfectly fine thinkpad, asciilifeform doesn't think much of it as a... what's he call it, "workstation girlfriend" ? ☟︎
davout: the box thing
davout: you're the one doing the freudian slips tho
mircea_popescu: and i'm not judging anyone for wanting to fuck their box. i understand the impulse, and hey, it beats trying to fuck your station wagon. or mains socket.
mircea_popescu: the usecases for "computer" precludes the calculator model, let's put it this way.
mircea_popescu: i'm actually serious, tho it sounds pretty nutty.
mircea_popescu: you want to fuck your computer, that's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: you want to play fucking games and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: calling a computer "a box" is perhaps the most telling of all freudian seepage ever. ☟︎
davout: i want to fuck my computer?
mircea_popescu: so we're stuck figuring out the rng issues.
mircea_popescu: yeah. you know what's wrong ? that you want to fuck it, is what's wrong. sadly, there's not going to be any solution to people wnating to fuck their computers.
davout: in the sense that, if you depend on it for 'generating' random numbers, as opposed to simply behaving like a strictly deterministic machine, you're fuxxored
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah well, basically, the intuitive understanding i reached, is that unless your computer is behaving like a dumb calculator, something is wrong ☟︎
davout: punkman: i shall read it, tyvm
mircea_popescu: A LOT more research is needed before the cult will be happy with the cult's own understanding of what RNG even fucking means (ie, stands for) in a computing environment. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 23:27:03; punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"
punkman: davout, here's a thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948829 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 20:57:58; mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
mircea_popescu: i want to add a reference to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-09-2015#1278807 ☝︎
davout: nah, i was trying to figure out exactly, at what points should sane software accept user-generated entropy
mircea_popescu: what are you trying to fix, the atrocious gpg malleability issues ? ☟︎
davout: anyway, i had a look around yesterday about deterministic signatures, and didn't find anything regarding the official cult position
mircea_popescu: o wait you're no longer oppressing alt-language tards/noobs over at tardtalk ?
mircea_popescu: yeah there is hope for you.
davout: i did get demoted by theymos from my mod position for basically calling him a derp. i think that counts!11
mircea_popescu: brigading is a prerequisite to celebrity!
davout: well, i do have a june something 2011 video going around where i, i essence, tell karupuresu he has no fucking clue how to run an exchange :D
mircea_popescu: until butthurt somethingawfulers add your name to the list of the various idiots you either personally sunk or otherwise frontrun the sinking of, you've not really made it!