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ascii_field: these last
two, i had
the misfortune
to be involved in.
mircea_popescu: kakobreklaa it will discourage people from sending
them.
mircea_popescu: neither of which can be read reductionistically
to "petrochem".
mircea_popescu: no. speaking of catalythic chemistry. as a
thing. which it is.
ascii_field: which are '% massage' rather
than 'new field'
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 06:14:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, im running into a whole fucking list of problems with all
the shitty dust people send
to bitbet. do you suppose we put in a progressive fee structure ? like "fee is a minimum of 0.0001, + 10% of everything under 0.01 + 1% of rest ?
mircea_popescu: aka "let's ignore what's being said and run off with one marginal example of
the broad category discussed".
mircea_popescu: "In its classical form
the BZ reaction consist of a one-electron redox catalyst"
mircea_popescu: this inspires me!
tonight ima have one girl write nickserv on her pubis, and
the other chanserv
mircea_popescu: ever since qm reduced macro
tm
to
the status of macro
tm
mircea_popescu: it is merely
the experimental verification of
the
theoretically obvious
mircea_popescu: but by your very definition
this is not a fundamental result.
ascii_field: (that energy is only conserved on a large enough
time scale)
ascii_field: proved
that
thermodynamics is only stochastically applicable.
ascii_field: startling
to
the point
that nato lands shelved it as sov disinfo for decades
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining electric engineering didn't invent any new
type of electron.
ascii_field: yesterday no one knew em wave was a
thing. and
then - it is.
ascii_field: though he derived all of
the maths
that have or will ever apply.
mircea_popescu: you've still not defined your "fundamental" "actula
thing"
ascii_field: poor old j.c.maxwell gets no rest when
this comes up, but i'ma have
to use him as example again. he didn't even bother ~trying~
to build a radio...
ascii_field: this is not a moral judgement, just an observation - you need different people for
the foundation of a concept,
than for 17th floor
ascii_field: bldg has a foundation. it is different from
the other parts of
the structure in
that it lets you start having floors where prior you could only sit down in
the dirt.
mircea_popescu: i don't care you sat on your
tatched roof in mongolia and
thus "dreamed" of skyscraper.
PeterL: but without
the 17th floor you can't build
the 18th floor
mircea_popescu: but
the FACT
that now
there are 17 floor buildings IS fundament.
ascii_field: 'fundamental' is an actual
thing. it doesn't resolve
to 'very spiffy', it has a meaning
mircea_popescu: you can fucking go around looking for biosynthesizers now, for
this reason
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense, srlsy.
the 70s-90s in catalysts are more important
than anything
that ever happened in chemistry.
ascii_field: and it - for
the most part - isn't happening.
ascii_field: PeterL:
there is such a
thing as invention.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yer looking in
the wrong end of
the funnel. yes, women still wear stockings, but american south no longer can have plantations, because
the fiber doesn't grow out of
the ground.
PeterL: I see, if you push
the goal posts far enough away
then nobody will ever score
ascii_field: it'd be fundamental if it opens up a whole concept
that was previously closed. e.g., if a catalyst were
to be found
that makes electrolysis of h2o reasonably efficient
mircea_popescu: how
the fuck do you
think you have genome sequencing, otherwise, and why
the fuck do you
think woman's stockings is a bigger deal.
PeterL: a bunch of small improvements adds up over
time
ascii_field: fission's pretty fundamental. even something like
tunnel diode.
PeterL: there is alot of organic synthesis space
that has been investigated since
then
mircea_popescu: what
the fuck's gonna happen, invent a new electron load ?
PeterL: There is also chemistry research at, for example, Dow Chemical, which
they don't publish but instead use
to make
themselves money, does
this not count?
ascii_field: PeterL: most of what's happening in chem is a) usg grantsmanship b) monkey
tricks
to extend pharma patents. and most of what remains is being done by folks who grew up with hobby chemistry.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my broadcast later
tonight when i get out of
the pit
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:01:40; asciilifeform: which more or less died out as a scientific field in
the 'civilized' world.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: so what was
the problem with MPEx?
mircea_popescu: adlai because it's not
true.
they get accused of
the scams
they actually pull.
adlai: patternspeak for up-and-down. i'm probably misusing it, iirc it's only an eiffel if
the down returns
to levels before
the up
adlai is surprised nobody has yet accused
the marshals of building
the recent eiffel
tower, as auction optimization
mircea_popescu: my god, ceo is going
to go
the way of nigger and handicapped within my lifetime isn't it.
mircea_popescu: ie,
that same 1-2% of
the coins
that are in hands of self important usg ceo/vc
types.
mircea_popescu: which indicates
that it's mostly people moving
the same btc back and forth.
punkman: so according
to
that chart 11million btc moved in a day?
trinque: the notion
that merely looking like
the
thing you wish
to be is sufficient has seeped into everything
trinque: The Department of Defense's posture on cybersecurity ultimately affects national security. <<
There's a deep cultural flaw in
this sentence emanating from
the word posture.
thestringpuller: what's with reddit complaining about
the blocksize bullshit again?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> punkman, on superficial look it does not return getblock() data anymore << nuts. so 0.11 is forked off
the network
then ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> i
tried
to sync my 0.5.4
to core 0.11, it won't sync <<
this is a horribru error message.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Pentagon Farmed Out Its Coding
to Russia -
The Daily Beast << ahahahaha no, really ?
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 13:23:33; jurov:
then i
tried
to set MIN_PEER_PROTO_VERSION = 0 in 0.11
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2015 13:24:30; jurov:
then i returned
to 0.10 and left further research for later
shinohai: I can't say for certain until I clone my drive, had
to idle it for a bit.
jurov: then i returned
to 0.10 and left further research for later
☟︎ jurov: then i
tried
to set MIN_PEER_PROTO_VERSION = 0 in 0.11
☟︎ punkman: jurov, does
the 0.11 instance ban
the 0.5.4?
shinohai: I have an old 0.10.0 binary
that does.
shinohai: I can't get core
to not crash 0.11 xD
shinohai: ;;later
tell SuchWow Your quit message is atrocious. "This
too is
temporary, as most
things are" reduces your comma usage and makes you not sound like a hippy.
jurov: returned
to 0.10 which works
jurov: i
tried
to sync my 0.5.4
to core 0.11, it won't sync
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BingoBoingo: Boyfriend suggest alterboy being buggered over
the altar
mircea_popescu: random
thought of
the day : wtf is
this "boyfriend" bs. girlfriend i can see, but it's manfriend innit.
mircea_popescu: anyway,
this "can't have X, can't have non-X" sorta
thing will necessarily resolve itself in
time.
there's no other way.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: for log readers only,
this confession.
ben_vulpes: do consider
the improvement in
the serf's quality of life when biking (or walking!)
thirty minutes
to and fro
the galley each day, compared
to
the hour in
the wheelbox each direction
that can be had in other places, composed with
the shorter work week
that is possible.
ben_vulpes: this provides for some small amount of
thinking
time.
ben_vulpes: culture out here is such
that you can skirt by for ~30/wk and a relatively cheap commute, with no "lifetime commitment".
ben_vulpes: if you want intros
to indenturitude, i can provide
this as well.