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adlai: some dark and dystopian future, mpex
trade submission will require deedbot-style spending, for anti-ddos
trinque: I am quite backed up on
things deedbot- needs, but am aware of most of
them
trinque: adlai:
there's a paragraph
there on how, but I can provide some code at a later date
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 20:05:45; mircea_popescu: how do you ascertain
the
truth of
this ?
mircea_popescu: all sorts of caged penii a la blair wet
their pants^H^H^H^ girly panties because o noes, nude display of will.
ascii_field: there are biologists somewhere, however laughable, who are not students of darwin. but
there are no pr or ad men alive
today who are not students of
the good doctor g.
assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 20:01:08; mircea_popescu:
They consider
themselves leaderless.
They can have representatives,
they can have "evangelists" but
they have
to believe
that
their conclusions are all
their own,
through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose,
they believe
their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis.
This isn't arrogance.
They are
told, by universities and
the media,
that
their
mircea_popescu: they laugh
their ass off at
the new
toy, and
towards
tghe evening
the husband shows up
too
mircea_popescu: the woman's daughters start showing up from school, and
the parrot is delighted
mircea_popescu: once she lifts
the cover off
the cage,
the parrot
takes one look around, one look at her, after which
mircea_popescu: "yes. and we sell it at a discount wirth
this caveat, we won't
take it back. it's already been returned by a dozen people. perfectly healthy parrot, fine specimen, but -"
mircea_popescu: "nothing really, just
this : it's
the parrot of a deceased brothel madam. spent all his prior life in brothel, has very saucy conversation"
mircea_popescu: so she goes in, and asks what's wrong
the parrot, explains
to
the shopkeep
that she's been saving and so and so.
mircea_popescu: and one day sees in window of pet shop a beautiful white specimen, and
the price. which, shockingly, is not only much less
than what a parrot costs, but also within her savings!
mircea_popescu: well, let me recount
the hungarian parrot joke. so : a middle aged housefrau has always wanted, ever since little girl, aparrot. so she saves and saves,
jurov: later i learned
to keep a reminder "this may not necessarily be
true"
jurov: in several cases i found myself arguing with everyone else about
things
that did/did not happen
mircea_popescu: but
the "Shut up a second" and especially "listen" is not ... convenient for many folks.
mircea_popescu: simple example : if i get a stomach upset, i can identify
the culprit
through
the simple process of ... "shut
the fuck up a mintuer and listen".
ascii_field: if you had a dope
that shuts it up and staples its mouth,
jurov: mhm.. at
the age children
try
to self-suffocate and mircea went
to engage a lamb... i learned
to plant false memories in myself. It was very scary.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's
the normal/natural state. people with overrepressive habits (ie, bad childhood) end up blind
to
their own mind, but...
ascii_field: anyway
there is a
thing in
there
that says 'i dun wanna, i'll stay in bed'
trinque: it would necessarily be a very difficult
thing
to say anything about
trinque meditated for hours once and when he stopped chattering
to himself about a narrative,
there was left something
that made me
think for a long
time about will, and what
this observer was
that was left sitting
there
mircea_popescu: this notion
that one's head is enough, is fundamental
to it.
mircea_popescu: re
tlp's entire "universities don't produce producers,
they produce consumers".
there's some very specific requirements for "consumership" and
they're not
the obvious "oh bad people" bla bla.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: are you an aficionado (or
the reverse) of m. minsky's 'society of mind'
thing ?
mircea_popescu: o do
this heavy lifting as long as
they are given just
the right facts, filtered from
the "noise." "Where can we get
the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe
the news?"
mircea_popescu: They consider
themselves leaderless.
They can have representatives,
they can have "evangelists" but
they have
to believe
that
their conclusions are all
their own,
through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose,
they believe
their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis.
This isn't arrogance.
They are
told, by universities and
the media,
that
their mind is prepared
t ☟︎ mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all
the
textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible
to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by
textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, "Worse,
they proudly announce
their lack of ideology by branding
themselves as Independents-- capital I, a
thing, a demo. He willingly lessens his independence
to become part of a group.
ascii_field: and yes, it is possible
that a man given 'will dope' will just immediately eat his pistol.
ascii_field: (go
throw a motorbike! but
tear your muscles
to shreds)
ascii_field: but it would not surprise me if
the system responsible is simple enough for some realistic dope.
ascii_field: i have no reason
to suppose either yes or no
mircea_popescu: and
the channel yet again
tricks me into revealing even more of
the mysterious evil from
the
tower depths. oy vey.
mircea_popescu: anyway, merely
the contemplation of
the plain if never discussed (shouldn't
this be discussed in school ? you
think ?)
that cells do not actually have signalling for hunger built in, so
the entire insulin system is left guesing, with all
the attendant problems of insulin resistence etc.
they didn't
think
this was important enough. apoptosis, yes.
this, no. not fundamental enough, didn't make
the cut.
ascii_field: where it had
the appearance of behaving like a muscle
ascii_field: if we ever get genuine psychology, it will be interesting
to learn whether
there was any substance
to
the old experiments concerning will.
mircea_popescu: and newly woman responds smiling
that
there's nothing
to it.
mircea_popescu: comes back
to her still girly friend, who asks her "omygerd you mean you wore
this ? and men saw you ? BUT HOW ???"
mircea_popescu: girl goes
to visit her slut sister, is fucked, gets some
trappings of womanhood (dress)
mircea_popescu: you should. very nice softcore/sexploitation movie, epic natural d's. but
the story is more important.
mircea_popescu: tho i doubt many in
the audience have
the actual, proper mathematical understanding
to grasp
the MEANING of formalisms.
ascii_field: (i.e. most notions die in your head, others - on
the desk,
the rest - in factory, etc)
mircea_popescu: and
the
thread re "what is
the meaning of fractal" controls here,
mircea_popescu: all life works in a certain way for
the reason
that it's cheapest
mircea_popescu: and filogenesis replicates ontogenesis, or vice-versa. first,
the woman spits out a blob,
then of
the blob collection
the men kill some,
mircea_popescu: you have
to understand ontogenesis is a
two step process. first, a blob develops.then, controlled apoptosis, a process so fundamental cells have signalling baked in for it (but not for hunger, not for pain etc) makes
the spaces between what will be your fingers.
☟︎ trinque: mircea_popescu: certainly is; I'm not opposed
to
the notion, but stating it
ascii_field: i.e. killed himself a little bit
to profit some schmuck
trinque: sure, I've had
to get up at 6am
to commute before
ascii_field: trinque: anyone who's ever worked for a living has already done
this.
trinque: seems
the exact definition of slavery, going even
to
the lengths of damaging oneself if it is ordered either by master or superego
ascii_field has not
tried, cannot recommend or disrecommend
assbot: Logged on 02-02-2015 06:58:18; asciilifeform: but being
tall, which someone CAN NOT get, <<<< ahahha. soviet science winz again. had a process for -actually- growing
taller.
ascii_field: there is, iirc, a clinic in ru
that does it. booked for years in advance.
☟︎ ascii_field: we know how
to stretch a man's legs
to make him
taller
than mircea_popescu, but not
this
ascii_field: re: sleep, i have a ~26 hr circadian and
this isn't fixable
ascii_field: as it is, i'm
trying
to navigate
towards fewer 'dopes' (in
the very general sense, far outside of 'things you must eat') rather
than more.
mircea_popescu: which is why
teaching slavegirls
to orgasm on command is important.
the internalised sexuality is a good and useful proxy for a great many other
things
they need.
☟︎ ascii_field: anything could be. could be
that i
turn up a crate of penis dope and
then end up restructuring whole personal economic life around getting moar.
ascii_field: it is constraints from external
things
that lead people
to want
to
turn
their body into a reliable mechanism
mircea_popescu: could it be
that your girl is actually a MUCH NICER partner (for sex)
than you are for yourself (in your own head, doing
things, like sleeping)
ascii_field: i wouldn't want
to fuck with sleep either if i didn't have
to stand up at a post at x o'clock
ascii_field: i'd consider it if i had reason
to
think 'this needs
to be more like an iron mechanism'
mircea_popescu: you do
take leg and would at least consider wakefulness dope. but not penis dope.
mircea_popescu: i am not arguing from my pov, but from
the contrarian pov.
ascii_field: i
think mircea_popescu also believes in
this
ascii_field: there are
times when cock is dressed, even
mircea_popescu: are you
the sort of republican central
time backwards orc
that refuses science ?