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asciilifeform: i've arrived at the point where i believe any system where any such thing is necessary, to be braindamaged beyond redemption
phf: the internals are more similar then not, and to fully grok sbcl you have to know cmucl anyway.
asciilifeform: why cmucl rather than sbcl ?
phf: i wouldn't even attempt to replicate the feat with, say, gcc
phf: yeah, i'm leaning that way myself, but i'm not fully convinced yet. i'm for example trying to build sufficient knowledge of cmucl right now, to be able to take full responsibility for the behavior of my deployed system, and it's a ~slow process~. it's handy to have paid professionals assist you
asciilifeform: and still wouldn't do it again today.
asciilifeform: i did this
phf: asciilifeform: i enjoyed working with lispworks team in the past. i don't think it's proprietary in the same sence as msvs or such. you have to buy into a relationship, but once you have a contract with them, they are accommodating. you can ask them for source if you actually want to inspect it for lizard hitler traces and compile it yourself
asciilifeform: phf: i can't fathom why any sane person would voluntarily use a proprietary compiler today
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i, like the fool i am, retain hope of putting lispy gui crud places, and so would rather burn the time hacking through mcclim than running the symbolics vms.
phf: *on top of clim
phf: punkman: it's a free version of clim, which is a standard. if you're trying to release actual applications on top of climacs your better bet is to buy a lispworks license and use their clim implementation
asciilifeform: (there even is a mac port, i have not tried it)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: go straight to the symbolics emulator for that
asciilifeform: i think the technical term for this, is
phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself. ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you say it five time, he... climacses ?
trinque: legend has it that if you say climacs three times gabriel_laddel appears
asciilifeform: if i wanted to feel keypress delay, i'd install ms-office.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i tried climacs, i barfed from 1) PALPABLE keypress delays 2) athena
ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it' ☟︎
asciilifeform: and say i want to populate a listbox with a lisp list
phf: can use http://shinmera.github.io/qtools/ for Qt work from common lisp. adds a thin protective layer
asciilifeform tried this roughly a decade ago, gave up in disgust
asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the impedance mismatch between all the idiot crud qt expects (own lists, hashes, etc.) and anything sane, is atrocious
punkman: I'd like to make some peculiar widgets
trinque: commonqt wasn't a terrible gasmask
asciilifeform: if it doesn't matter what it looks like, at all, can use the horrendous x11 'athena' widgets
asciilifeform: there used to be 'wx' but afaik - dead
assbot: Deldo - Vibration Control and Teledildonics Mode for Emacs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1RVi7 )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried it?
ben_vulpes: on the lisp ui thread, a mcclim contributor of yore has started work on clim3, spec and impl: climatis: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIMatis
mircea_popescu: then again i guess it makes sense, reddit's collectively at that enchanted age when kid walks into bedroom unexpectedly, thinks dad's "beating the shit out of mom". because wut is fuck anyway.
shinohai: summary: reddit thinks mircea_popescu is little more than misogynist.
assbot: Metafetish - Too Much Information about the Interactive Fleshlight ... ( http://bit.ly/1lx4ahS )
jurov: well this needs purpose-designed peripheral
mircea_popescu: in other news, touchpad unergonomic. http://36.media.tumblr.com/988526e5be129553f39bb433bf36d041/tumblr_n5bjykaDov1rl2t88o2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: what, they enameled the courses ?
jurov: gotta ask pete and ben about their bitcoin generation
punkman: or was that someone else
punkman: "There are the things we need to work on to get more women into bitcoin and then the guys will just come as iron dust to a magnet... Porn and cam-shows are good to get some men but they are not enough to form relationships. After all we need a bitcoin women finding a bitcoin man, marry eachother and make a baby. That baby will be born in a bitcoin generation with bitcoin knowledge!"
BingoBoingo: adlai: fxd, though I shouldn't have. If he wanted attention paid to his name he should have opted out of government and identified as a public key.
assbot: Zotamedu comments on A "Bitcoin intellectual" has some ideas on how to make it more popular, especially with women ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbzPkI )
BingoBoingo: phf: fxd ty
phf: hot off the press
phf: BingoBoingo: has responded to the mass shooting has responded to the mass shooting
phf: BingoBoingo: tend to involve more typically involve
deedbot-: [Qntra] Paris Mass Shooters Used Plaintext SMS to Coordinate - http://qntra.net/2015/11/paris-mass-shooters-used-plaintext-sms-to-coordinate/
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess maybe ? strikes me as fucking insane, but then again i guess that's their point
mircea_popescu: it's not remarkable for the fucking monsoon season.
BingoBoingo: Here we had one decimeter of rain over Monday and Tuesday
mircea_popescu: you familiar with rainfall levels in teh world ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly survives this deluge, algae ?
mircea_popescu: and the 800k gallons figure is nonsense. 3.2 cubic meters of water srsly ? 150 acres is what, half a square km ? so you're supposedly doing 4 * 8 * 10^5 * 365 / .5 / 10^6 = 2336mm rainfall a year ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. <<< this is for sure how i'd be running the vault.
mircea_popescu: as in make the can plastic.
asciilifeform: (how to break the gaussian contour of the can so radio works, is exercise for the reader)
asciilifeform: and, for that matter, why not fill the can with trotyl, squib, and radio, ~at the bottling plant~ ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha <<< there is a very popular east european scam where "german collector" announces he is paying very high sums for "old german sewing machines".
pete_dushenski checks stats : there are 1`151 golf courses in the state of california
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is. << i have a vague idea.
asciilifeform: but why was it necessary to cut the whole bottom off and glue back?
asciilifeform: so, sure, the claim implied by photo is that the can was filled from the bottom
pete_dushenski: and not sure it's 'lawns' so much as golf courses that are sucking up cali's water.
asciilifeform: one thing i don't get
pete_dushenski: well, for teh log readers then
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:02:54; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago.
assbot: Islamic State says 'Schweppes bomb' used to bring down Russian plane| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHZZzN )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and watering lawns is mandatory there.
pete_dushenski: even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. ☟︎
asciilifeform: let'em ~attract~ idiots instead of leaving matters to chance
asciilifeform: 'In southern Africa, it has cost lives. According to a regional and especially cruel variation of the legend, the substance is found in conventional military munitions, particularly land mines, there to be claimed by anyone daring enough to take them apart and extract the goods.' << brilliant and ought to be encouraged
asciilifeform: '‘‘Specific machines,’’ he said, ‘‘with a butterfly logo on them.’’ He said he knew this from experience because the red mercury used in the jihadists’ chlorine experiment in Ras al-Ain had come from his grandmother’s machine.' << l0lzy
jurov: "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha
kakobrekla: trinque is that lisp bot going to be decoupled?
asciilifeform: 'Another time, a French jihadist hired him to find a Turkish domestic cat; Syrian cats, it seemed, were not the friendly sort.' << l0l!!
jurov: ‘‘It is not only about getting the red mercury,’’ he said. ‘‘The very small box needs special equipment to open it, and special reactors to work with it. If you open this box, a radius of eight kilometers around you will be destroyed.’’
asciilifeform: and what is the required dose.
asciilifeform: i forget, does magical red mercury convert goats to houri prior to fucking ?
asciilifeform: run moar jihadcrypt (tm) (r) on winblowz, take more gps selfies, eat moar redmercury...
asciilifeform: and these are the folks mircea_popescu tells us are the alternative to decaying west.
kakobrekla: irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is.
jurov: "Identifying such cheats was easy, the smugglers said, because real red mercury is attracted to gold but repelled by garlic."
jurov: yes. but this is so funny
asciilifeform: could've sworn we did a length thread re: this philosopher's stone in 2013
jurov: ‘‘And there is green mercury, which is used for sexual enhancement, and silver mercury is used for medical purposes. The most expensive type is called Blood of the Slaves, which is the darkest type. Magicians use it to summon jinni.’’
jurov: ‘‘Red mercury has a red color, and there is mercury that has the color of dark blood,’’ he said.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NedC67 )
asciilifeform: l0l i think i saw this one!
mircea_popescu: but generally their (planeta moldova) work should be pretty hysterical to a russian speaker with ro knowledge
trinque: I've got a common lisp version of the bot baking which phf helped on, handles all this much better.
mircea_popescu: imo the VERY best story of thanksgiving friends is made by pretty much the only thing worth the mention culturally to come out of the bit of romania currently stranded as an "independent state" because russians.
trinque: mircea_popescu: could just be freenode being a pain. I notice that deedbot- will say on this end that "Remote host closed the connection" and on the deedbot- end that he looks like he was disconnected by the server.
pete_dushenski checks hardbound illustrated hc anderson volume next to him
asciilifeform: butcher was his friend. until thanksgiving came << h. c. andersen had same story, at some length elaborated, but with a pig and christmas
asciilifeform: the anecdote is that once upon a time, a peasant was selling a turkey, a rarity at the time; and that he knew that a parrot sells for 15 talers, he asked for 30, given as 'turkey is twice the size.' buyer asked, 'but parrot can talk, can your bird?' peasant replied: 'doesn't talk, but thinks 2x as much'
pete_dushenski: butcher fed turkey every day for years, reinforcing friendly sentiment
pete_dushenski: turkey also thought butcher was his friend. until thanksgiving came.
asciilifeform: the full version is 'turkey also thought, but ended in the soup anyway'