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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of defending, see
the latest
trilema.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 13:59:58; mircea_popescu: "this book is sold subject
to
the condition
that it won't be lent"
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 13:51:32; mircea_popescu: shinohai because
there are way more people
than jobs.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 13:46:27; mircea_popescu: fine example if alf's greatest fear, he wasn't nearly
this derpy back before martin luther king.
assbot: Logged on 22-11-2015 06:30:10; mircea_popescu: abstraction is loss. you
throw out all sorts of stuff and hope&pray
that it wasn't actually needed.
mircea_popescu: "hosting fees are expensive" my foot.
they're only expensive because "oh i just wanna be a designer" all over
the place.
mitch_callahan: ahh sorry BingoBoingo, its
this stupid Mac client I'm using. i'll remove it
today.
mircea_popescu: take some
text, put it
through "Aspose.Words for .NET 10.6.0.0" so you can have <span></span> for every other word like in
the old days of microsoft computing, and
then zip
the shit and call it "epub".
mircea_popescu: space, legal issues, or not being very good, and put
them in
this one.
mircea_popescu: written
that didn’t make it into
the first book, either due
to
timing,
mircea_popescu: thought it would be easier
to simply collect all
the material I have
mircea_popescu: style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">ather
than go
to any real effort, I
mircea_popescu: style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> enough hours in
the day.
mircea_popescu: clock episodes of Property Virgins on HGTV and sleeping
to do,
there never
mircea_popescu: should have put in more effort but you know how it is. With round
the
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this out
mircea_popescu: book. </span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Or at least
the
mircea_popescu: style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Hello.
Thank you for buying
this
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BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell mitch_callahan your connection is doing
that
thing again
mircea_popescu: what
the motherfucking shit is wrong with
these people.
mircea_popescu: "this book is sold subject
to
the condition
that it won't be lent"
☟︎ punkman: you can unzip
the epub, you'll get html
mircea_popescu: punkman i just went in a cycle asking "then why
the fuck are
they not calling it .txt" and answering myself
the line above
to shinohai and now i feel a little queasy.
mircea_popescu: fine example if alf's greatest fear, he wasn't nearly
this derpy back before martin luther king.
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punkman: saw
this in
the cinema long
time ago. puts it on rewatch list.
mircea_popescu: guy comes in, "hey, isn't
that dog pissing in your shoe bothering you ?!"
mircea_popescu: romanian joke, for you. man sitting at desk, dog next
to him pissing in his shoe.
mircea_popescu: abstraction is loss. you
throw out all sorts of stuff and hope&pray
that it wasn't actually needed.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: you have no fucking idea what
that word means, do you.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant abstraction in
the sense of software
that composes small
tools into larger units
that...operate at a higher level of abstraction.
mircea_popescu: (there's a very good reason
they keep going on with cow and dog are animal.
there was a great paper in
the log about "you know what, just change your chosen names
to hashes, see if
teh system appears
to be doing as much "understanding" as it did before.)
mircea_popescu: (what apparently nobody wants
to mention is
that
the "good" oop now corrupted by
teh evil orcs was really a child of desperation. pretty much born out of
the mit
through c-section, in
the classical sense)
mircea_popescu: phf
the problem with
the village of ugly women is
that well,
there's probably something wrong with
the water. yes
the people now involved may be subpar for whatever reason or explanation
to do with
them. maybe. or maybe
THIS offshot of
the hope
to ai is just as rotten as
the rest of
the various attempts
to ai
that preceded it.
mircea_popescu: i don't
think we mean
the same by abstraction. it's not a sort of cool. it's basically purification.
ben_vulpes: because a corpus
through which one can grep exists,
the forum can on an ongoing basis can communicate ever more abstractly?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental point of
the written word is
that allows a certain sort of abstraction. it's "escapism" in a particular sense.
ben_vulpes: is
there some russian joke in
there about how
the bits
that are cut are never
the relevant ones?
ben_vulpes: speaking without cuts
then means
to communicate intelligibly even without
the bits
that
the censors stripped?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he means he can
talk without bothering with
the annoying sorts of context.
phf: it's actually from latin caesura, which is now used as
the name of pause in a poem. i
thought caesarean section comes from
that, but wikipedia article has a very confusing "etymology" section so i don't even know what
to believe anymore!
phf: ben_vulpes: "without cuts", купюра is from french coupure, and in
this case means
the parts
that are cut out by
the censor
ben_vulpes: tres annoying
to pass
the same args around constantly.
ben_vulpes: in re fp, dunno
that anyone noticed, but i backpedaled from
the global state fatwa in my v poc
phf: but nice
thing about log, can
talk без купюр, get called out. otherwise it's of little relevance what sort of education phds get or what you can buy at a bookstore. we're sort of long on
the same page
that status quo is subpar
phf: asciilifeform: rightly so, conversation around oop is long rotten,
they are working over fp now :) above wall of
text is more of an archaeological find
adlai: new
TLD for
the W, DC: .orc
mircea_popescu: ie, "wouldn't
the strange woman in
the
train made a great wife"
mircea_popescu: (ie, we don't even know
the sore spots of say kay objects, mostly because
they never got a chance
to be found mostly because idiots came and covered everything)
mircea_popescu: on
top of which, i suspect
there's a large chunk of "strange woman" in all
this also.
phf: a lot of "expected" oop behaviors like objects owning methods, synchronous bidirectional messaging
that is equivalent
to a procedure call, extreme early binding, etc. are artifacts of implementation and optimization strategies, as such
they don't have meaning, don't have "real world" correspondence and just are. building
taxonomies on such a shaky
theoretical foundation results in a very messy
thinking
phf: i was saying
that agents/actor is
the only valuable dydactic
take on object orientation in real world, it both properly
traces oop history and also has meaningful parallels in biology and physics.
phf: but
that's
the well known one).
phf: funkenstein_: alan kay's objects communicate with each other by sending messages.
this is
the approach
taken explicitly in smalltalk, flavors (one of
the lisp machine lisps), objective-c.
the idea was inspired by john mccarthy's earlier concept of agents, intelligent systems
that engage into q/a sessions with a user. a concurrent
take on
the same idea is called actors model and is implemented in erlang (and a bunch of other languages,
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell PeterL Congrats on ruining Ohio State's year
BingoBoingo: That
thing seems
to make quite a few appearances
funkenstein_: so here's a fun one:
take yi yi zhi yi and add a "fen" in
the middle: yi yi fen zhi yi
funkenstein_: how does oop lead
to discussion of communication agents?