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asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: methinks you connected this diode backwards.
asciilifeform: hence the 'five seconds under feudalism' note.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there.
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mircea_popescu: that's what the wot/b-a is for.
asciilifeform: most of the old slaves, as we both know, are worth their joules in diesel
asciilifeform: but nowhere is it written that the old slaves are somehow smoothly converted into new-style slaves.
mircea_popescu: the only way people could be moved off the good policy to the shitty one was the garglwe of "rights" and shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know feudalism is safer for the slaves than even socialism. certainly than capitalism.
asciilifeform: just that this is of approx. the same interest to me personally as the long-term dwarf phases of sol
asciilifeform: oh i've no doubt that it ~will~
mircea_popescu: gotta protect the bitcoin. both in this angle and in the angle kako was discussing yest.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism. ☟︎
asciilifeform: because - what was the term mircea_popescu used - ...
asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism) ☟︎
asciilifeform: that is, if we actually see a transition to feudalism, like so many folks salivate for
asciilifeform: miner defection might take longer than anticipated if mining begins to have a 'noblesse oblige' component, vs. straight +ev commercial motivation
mircea_popescu: that's the sign.
mircea_popescu: it will happen like the collapse of the us happened : once everyone agrees it's not possibru.
mircea_popescu: kinda proof that it's a realistic system
mircea_popescu: it just reproduces the same generational conflict that's present in society ever since forever.
asciilifeform isn't even entirely convinced that this has not already happened
asciilifeform: eventually the miners - defect.
mircea_popescu: by definition. as they aren't owners, the only thing they can be is looters.
mircea_popescu: but these are looters.
pete_dushenski: 'ever' is a long time.
asciilifeform: i still don't see how an altcoin could ever be an appealing thing other than to idiots and looters, assuming a still-functioning (if asymptotically-rewardless) classic btc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's your definition of "schelling point" ? doesn't have to be immutable, does it?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the fact they're dumb doesn't mean the bait ain't there.
mircea_popescu: which is why all the vc bullshit that keeps missing bitcoin by a mile
mircea_popescu: the usgtards like to act as if that future point is here, because they're too enamoured of the swamp they inhabit.
asciilifeform: then the predicate does not hold ?
mircea_popescu: in that <mircea_popescu> at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
asciilifeform: where is the logical flaw in 'classic btc is schelling point for carve-of-all-value' --> asymptote ?
asciilifeform: did somebody settle the proton decay thing while i was asleep ?
mircea_popescu: just phase transitions.
mircea_popescu: asymptotes are what idiots think of the world.
mircea_popescu: at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and what of the asymptote ?
mircea_popescu: what happens to bitcoin should reward halving run into an impossibility to finance further mining ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. also because you've the capital necessary to buy in bulk, so you do.
mircea_popescu: what happens to gold when no more mining is possible ? (as you know, gold is finite in the universe)
mircea_popescu: with bitcoin, the responsibility for keeping everyone's gold secure rests not with the owners, but with the.... miners!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i normally buy rarities there that it is physically impossible to obtain in any other way short of a journey around the globe in person
mircea_popescu: consequently, depending on your efficiency, you'll be spending a coin every X interval off the hoard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the situation : with gold, the responsibility for keeping gold secure indivisibly rests with its owner. either you build a vault and pay guards, or else you don't own it.
asciilifeform: typically if i need 'the same thing twice' i open the crate and take out another.
pete_dushenski: because you never need the same thing twice ?
asciilifeform: pretty much ZERO of my transactions are repeats (with same seller/buyer)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha, bordering on 20 yrs of ebay. but that isn't how it works.
asciilifeform tried using the classic otc site on at least five separate occasions but never succeeded in either buying or selling so much as a nut or a bolt there
pete_dushenski: given that ebay has its own reputation system, you can, over time, get to 'know a guy'
asciilifeform: this plus the set of surplus shops, etc. that can be seen with the naked eye in meatspace.
asciilifeform: and neither do the folks i know.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pretty much the entire set of things that i do.
punkman: and the guy must work in DEA-licensed lab
punkman: random derps can't get tests unless they know a guy
punkman: "EcstasyData.org collects lab testing results from a variety of organizations, but primarily commissions its own tests conducted by Drug Detection Lab (DDL) in Sacramento. All samples submitted to EcstasyData are done so by mail and we have no physical, on-site analysis presence. We are also interested in helping other groups publish and manage their testing data."
punkman: (in the US)
punkman: afaik there is only one place that takes anonymous drug samples via mail, and it's run by Erowid and some nonprofits
asciilifeform: (my guess would be the eleventh commandment, 'not caught - not thief')
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 14:15:09; mircea_popescu: PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331841 << firms like this have, iirc, existed for a while. i've always wondered what keeps usg from busting them for 'possession' ☝︎
asciilifeform: punkman: x86-64 box like the rest of the line
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 15:00:55; mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331873 << what did mircea_popescu mean by this? i bet there is a whole article buried in this observation, and i would like to read it ☝︎
asciilifeform: punkman: again, this is their 'low-end' box
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331672 << and it looks like this inside https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAQP6_EWMAAC26k.png:large ☝︎
mircea_popescu: obviously that situation won't be permanent.
mircea_popescu: most of these investors can not legally keep money in local bank accounts.
punkman: does german bank charge the guy to keep 106 cents in his account?
mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, strong money of any other kind decays over time
punkman: why does guy decide to pay 106 cents for 105 cents a year later?
mircea_popescu: conversely, if for whatever reason (such as horrible insecurity everywhere else in europe, while romania's sterling cannons guarantee it'll be fine), you decide to pay 106 cents for the dollar, your yiedl will be
mircea_popescu: now, if you put in 75 cents t obuy a dollar of this, at the end of the year you will be paid either nothing or 105. which means that your yield will have been (105-75)/75 ie just about 50%.
mircea_popescu: so, the guy went to place, ie sell, romanian bonds paying 5% for 75 cents to the dollar.
mircea_popescu: let's start with an example from the 1800s, on trilema : "Că d-l Grigorescu, șeful direcției contabilității din Ministerul de Finanțe, va pleca la Berlin, Viena și Frankfurt în scopul de-a plasa rentă 5 la sută română pe prețul de 75 suta ?"
PeterL: I'm off to find breakfast
mircea_popescu: seeing how the us is full of wanna-be callmakers and practically empty of actual workers doing the actual work of callmaking.
mircea_popescu: it COULD be your job to make him support materials to make the call, tho
mircea_popescu: as yhou're not the boss it is not your job to make that call.
PeterL: my initial thought is we want to stay far away from derpy reditards, but I could be wrong
mircea_popescu: make him a nice file, explain it all, takes you maybe 3-4 hours of your time will make him want to promote you.
mircea_popescu: can evaluate if he wants to be in it or not on his own.
PeterL: I basically report directly to the company president, it is a small company
mircea_popescu: it's a very low moat business. no idea how lucrative, but establishing a "stellar" reputation and pushing everyone else takes months, on account of how dumbassly undependable they all are.
mircea_popescu: PeterL anyway, dunno how close you are to management / how tolerant of redditards your strategy is, but - you could even be proactive about it. register on whatever social medias they frequent as "the lab", do some testing even on your own dime at first to establish rep,
PeterL: perhaps average years experience would mean something, maybe minimum years experience, but total years experience is useless
mircea_popescu: PeterL it's a necessary next step from thinking combining people's votes yields a valuable result.
PeterL: well, wanting to test it and having the ability to test it are two separate things
mircea_popescu: obviously vendors also know this, but anyway
mircea_popescu: PeterL afaik anyone who's not a tard tests the first batch from a new vendor.
PeterL: I don't know why people think combining years of experience means anything
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "350 years of combined experience".
PeterL: I guess if they are willing to pay to get the stuff through the darknet, they should be willing to pay to get it tested
mircea_popescu: PeterL you could prolly make a killing doing analysis for teh "darknet" pillheads. ☟︎
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