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mp_en_viaje: it may shock you to hear that i actually have a whole pile of whores beating the streets talking to dorks by the fucking pail just to keep me on top of things.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 16:38 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907853 << i cannot resist to ask, where did mp_en_viaje spot this ☝︎
asciilifeform: well they're crown monopolies in most of europistan, neh
mp_en_viaje: this is supposedly fixed monthly pay. i have nfi, i confess the pricing in telecom fails to make any sense to me, and has, for a while.
asciilifeform: nor did i ever feel burning urge for 30MB/s on gsm -- who the hell pumps wares via a 'pay per MB' sim toy
asciilifeform: i never had the '4g' one
asciilifeform: huawei's item was the champ, even worked (with a little perling) to send/receive voice calls (why to do this, is separate q, but it does work)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 11:51 mp_en_viaje: moreover, and overwhelmingly important, some duning-krugerands retarded enough to not understand that their cunt map they made (coming from the same place their "let's make a pact to get laid before highschool starts" "pact" came, ie, complete insanity and a ridiculously nonsensical worldview, wherein they're magically the only agents, and the world exists on the basis of their mental processes and in no other way, notwithstanding the obvious probl
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, isn't a pube the best possible contraction denoting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907456 moron adolescens ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i reviewed several in the logs, in '14-'15
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what the ' ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) ' horror might be, the only ones i've ever used simply present as a hayes-style modem via usb (a la FG)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:47 diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago. ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: that actually travels separately, hence the selenar silences.
asciilifeform: ( or did mp_en_viaje drag a sovok-style satellite rig with him... might explain the 200kg lol )
mp_en_viaje: even THESE FUCKTARDS understand they need the wot, ideologically dedicated as they are to pretending otherwiswe.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> possibly BingoBoingo knows << They claim meat. Granted 1 mm thick hamburger pattys
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i confess , i assumed you were already connecting through a 'buy a local simcard' thing of 1 kind or another
mp_en_viaje looks at the wonder. it's something else, requires adobe air, atop a lengthy pile of other bullshit. the comments "#added by yong wong" in the ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) are the lulz of all time. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, somewhat if vaguely related : "but mp, why don't you get so and so internet stick from so and so provider ? it's like 3 euro / mo!" "linux" "no, it supports linux too!" "you got one ?" "yes actually".
asciilifeform: iirc ended with the old ban on peddling liquishit with ~0 actual ch. in it, as 'chocolate', formally overturned
asciilifeform: i dunno re mcd, but specifically recall a protracted litigation-wank re who gets to claim to sell 'chocolate' in the reich
mp_en_viaje: i might've been talking out of ass!
asciilifeform: it does?! ( i thought they carefully avoid making any such concrete claim.. )
mp_en_viaje: which whole pile reminds me of the famous mobster from chicago (in guys and dolls). the guy who had his custom-made dice erased, so he could remember ~where the spots formerly were~.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: boeing claims ada in 7xx series. but i have no means to verify .
mp_en_viaje: you know, archeologists are the guys who reconstruct a mastoton out of a tooth. NOT out of the hole where the tooth could have went,
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:38 asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907793 << most of the code is old/<tinyfont>commercial/inhouse/</tinyfont>vaporware/rumorware ; in any case unpublished. ☝︎
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'avionics people' -- tried as i might, found only the hole, but not the fossil. ( ~somebody~ pressed for the lang standard to have the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-349.0-1150.0 knobs. but who? and where used ? i do not know to this day )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:37 diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907790 << yeah, the prior art is ~done. "avionics people" my left foot. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Sure, the Uruguayo team does. French team had all of two French dudes and a roster full of Africa.
mp_en_viaje: well, they all look uruguayan :D
BingoBoingo: "Who on this team looks... French?"
BingoBoingo: Ever since the mundial I've been shitting on the French with the locals here.
mp_en_viaje: ever since the whole strauss-kahn thing, france's been such a lulzy rumpstate...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rrright, but picture whole block o'flats fulla ~only~ these, nuffin else
a111: Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '…like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the “newbies” to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907777 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801609 and all that. ☝︎☝︎
BingoBoingo: What's the latest local delight?
diana_coman will go to sleep
asciilifeform: whether happened yet or not, it dun particularly concern us imho -- any moar than mp has to think, when dining on foie gras, about rats gnawing on a goose carcass that died over a junkyard somewhere
diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm" ☟︎
asciilifeform pictures already the coming orgy of derps , writing 'ada' cum heapism/pointers , so to 'feel like a trader^H^H^H^H^Hboeing' etc
asciilifeform: if indeed so, i suppose it's a good job that we forked it before it got 'found'
diana_coman: perhaps; fwiw I think there's a rather funny rush to "find" Ada.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform would find it interesting to read the 1980s ada that's running on boeing etc. , but so far never found any leaked pieces thereof. would be interesting to see if resembles e.g. ffa style.
asciilifeform: thing hid in a cave from the 'open sores movement', and so kept some semblance of sanity , but at the cost of becoming essentially 'found martian artifact' from asciilifeform-circa-2016 pov
asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished. ☟︎
asciilifeform: there aint so many names, even if you count erryone who's so much as touched the subj
diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names ☟︎
asciilifeform: kazakov's thing isn't an ada tutorial, it's a (surprisingly well documented, for a heathen) lib collection
diana_coman: ah, yes, that I looked at in the very beginning but tbh it still didn't help much and it was still simply Barnes' book I needed mostly.
asciilifeform: he has parsers, tcptronics, various datastructures
asciilifeform: ^ looked solid on surface, but must admit that asciilifeform did not attempt to put to use
asciilifeform: diana_coman: upstack to 'quasi-decent heathen adaists', 1 item from my notes is http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/ada/components.htm
diana_coman: whatever they need; so far apparently not much but that's up to them.
asciilifeform: this is where i confess that asciilifeform is not currently tuned in realtime to #e news, does not know what, if anyffin, the players have birthed
diana_coman: yes; and client is entirely open up to players to make as well as they want to have it.
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate re euloratron, but as i recall the 'problem', such as there was, lives mostly in the 100MB+ of cpp legacy ???
diana_coman: anyway, for client use, it's not ada-heapism that is in any way a problem really.
diana_coman: this guy is the first that doesn't quite seem "c++ in ada" really i.e. he seems more focused on Ada for the right reasons; I suspect more the windows-based trouble as it were.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it. ☟︎
diana_coman: and yes, it's certainly precisely the case that copious heapisms, pointerisms etc - the reason for it being as far as I can see quite obvious too: no sweating from 1st principles, much easier that way, sure
asciilifeform: 1st major piece of 'example' asciilifeform tried to eat, actually was the bignumtron ~inside gnat~ , in '16. and quickly barfed.
diana_coman: as I'm coming from a few years already of reading and wrestling planeshift code, I can't say it'll be reading heathen Ada that would cost me time, lol.
asciilifeform: so i had to sweat it out from first principles.
asciilifeform: 'everybody' used copious heapisms, pointerisms, 2ndarystackisms, etc. supposedly somewhere some avionics people didnt, but naturally never bothered to publish.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so far i've found that reading heathen ada examples ~cost~ me time, rather than saved, and put into my head things that later had to laboriously pump out. and the zip fella is no exception.
diana_coman: anyway, the ini files is a tidbit really; that was the entry point but since I saw afterwards all the www-oriented parts I got curious
asciilifeform: kudos to phf btw for the colourized display
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L553 << for thread-completeness, illustration of matching such 'strings'
asciilifeform: the ada array-slice notation makes this work properly without substantial effort, simply through the type constraint logic .
asciilifeform: if all yer 'strings' come from the inside of a large, static string, can represent'em simply as tuples , as pictured in above
diana_coman: as I said earlier: I don't think it *has to*; but he clearly doesn't have a problem with it and so he uses it; there are quite a few things grating, yes;
asciilifeform: re config txt parsers, i dun grasp why it would need heapism, rather than simple http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L99 -style offsets into the read-only text
diana_coman: from there I had a look at his zip ada and the rest
diana_coman: but yes, that uses also unbound strings
diana_coman: he has a short and ok ini-files read/write thing that might come in handy for eulora client really
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what made you remember the item ? ( was looking for lzwtron ? )
diana_coman: I saw that he has supposedly even an Ada browser but when I tried to get the sources it seems I got some incomplete/windows-dev thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm quite skeptical re the 'unavoidable' of the use of unboundeds and pointerisms (in re the latter, outside of unix api glue) in the general case, tho
asciilifeform: diana_coman: he's where i lifted the 'gnathtml' coad-to-www method thing. but i never had any occasion to use his zip lib in the field
diana_coman: the code I saw so far is quite readable and self-contained so all surprisingly good there but it's true that he still uses all sorts including unbounded strings and pointers where I'm not sure it's really unavoidable
a111: Logged on 2017-02-02 01:08 asciilifeform: http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 - as I found this only now when I stumbled upon Montmollin's various lib and had (for once!) a rather pleasant surprise: asciilifeform did you actually review any of his code? ☝︎
BingoBoingo remembers growing up in the US where the propaganda line was US missiles had the aim to kiss a target's asshole before exploding. Now, two decades and a couple dozen wars of various sizes later... "Next Gen" weapons not all that relevant. Air defense is the new cool because the threat to Peace this century has always been... US aircraft and missiles. Great Propoganda victory there guys.
mp_en_viaje: well, i guess that's all for now, catch'yall laters!
PeterL: zumba is basically working out to latin music
BingoBoingo: Nah, more gyrations less explosives moves into the air
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know, one of those hard, time consuming things women do to look like i like them to.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ << TMSR doctrine has been against the idea of bottoms for a while now. Bottomless everythings and everybodies.
asciilifeform: d00d dun seem to actually have problem self-voicing tho. ( does, sadly , have problem with concept of reading log, but perhaps curable.. )
deedbot: asciilifeform rated mp_en_viaje 1 << by all appearances, mircea_popescu's mobile palace terminal
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, incomprehensibly my travel key dun trust you any!
asciilifeform: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 by all appearances, mircea_popescu's mobile palace terminal
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 23:57 OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.