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mircea_popescu: the
thing is
tho, from my own experience reading logs, every
time i
try
to jump forward in
time i end up with a mess. works much better for me
to read
them serially and
think about it
that way. which is why i parse
the logs
to
this day, years later.
mircea_popescu: the recent experience of gabrielradio
trying on
the (imo easier)
task of
translating
trilema articles makes me
think it will NEVER be done.
mircea_popescu: if you recall we were
toying with
the idea of getting someone
to summarize
the logs. fluffypony even offered
to finance it. nobody could be found.
kakobrekla: the problem is poor separation of
threads. i have been actually
thinking about
this a few weeks ago and
though i might add forward linking
to
the logs, along with
the existing back linking
mircea_popescu: as far as
the later
thing is concerned, it's not clear it actually is any better (because you will necessarily have
to read EVEN MORE), we know from experience
that machines can not do
this, and contemporary semiotics seems
to indicate
the
task is intractable in principle.
mircea_popescu: one
thing i can see :
the conversation graph is incredibly complex.
there's
two practical ways
to present it : either as a flat file without any structure other
than what's provided by
the author ; or else as a properly restated graph, which will do a lot of node replication as oyu have
to unwind
the rat's nest of reference.
mircea_popescu: i confess i dunno what
the problem is.
this certainly should not mean no problem exists.
kakobrekla: before a solution is found,
the problem needs recognition, no?
mircea_popescu: i mean, for as long as
there isn't a solution,
the best
thing
to do is not pretend
to solve
the problem
kakobrekla: it was acceptable in
the old days of b-a when we werent actually been doing anything. now
theres n projects being juggled and its a pain.
danielpbarron: irc is an old favorite of mine. Been using it since 2004 (although i
took a several years break from 2008
till i found
this place)
kakobrekla: here have b-a, 100 megs of
text
thread. yay.
danielpbarron: that's what i liked about
twitter--
the forking of
threads and chaining of replies.
These days it's been ruined with some algorithmic sorting
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do
that might as well forget
the pretense and do
this.
mircea_popescu: suppose i quote
two different
things respondent.
the
thread should now split, as a
tree. it does not do
that.
mircea_popescu: as far as im concerned
the classic forum is unusable because it is perfectly unable
to handle quotation. it's
the same exact problem of "inline" comment display for wordpress : you end up either with an arbitrary node depth or else single character lines
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 17:51:30; mircea_popescu: line rather
than paragraph ?
mod6: I'll post an updated version here
tonight.
Thanks.
mod6: oh
the rotor+TEST2 script? Yeah,
that needs
to be updated.
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: would latest script in
the logs not have
the right V hash? << Hmm?
trinque: mod6: would latest script in
the logs not have
the right V hash?
trinque: mircea_popescu │
trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow
the republic nodes i guess << I've got space; perhaps cramped in other ways. For now I'll switch
to
the foundation bitcoind. If
there are still problems, I'll move
the node
to a separate instance with undisclosed IP and communicate inside AWS. If
that still has problems, would actually be pretty interesting.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how much memory it has available? i have seen newly started node gain 60MB RSS in a hour (my experimental limiter did not kick in due
to bug)
pete_dushenski: palace at versailles yields different impression, yes,
that of "holy fuck how did
they even
think of
that level of detailing?" and "holy cramoly where did
they even find craftsman
to make
that?"
mircea_popescu: architecture made by humanists for humanists. "here, look how insignificant
the human is!!11"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what was shady ?
there's nothing national about corporations.
mircea_popescu: have
the firewall set up so it can only connect
to
them (deny from all accept from X Y Z) as a way around
the incredibly braindamaged way
the client itself handles connections
pete_dushenski remembers learning about shift from 'gnp'
to 'gdp' as boy and apparent shadiness of
this bait-and-switch even
then
mircea_popescu: trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow
the republic nodes i guess
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:51:01; pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up
to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning
the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything
this figure is from 2009.
mircea_popescu: "spend 35bn
to save 50k we call 1bn because all numbers are
the same number. WE ARE HUMANISTS DAMNIT"
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:02:16; ascii_field: at
this point i fully believe
that editor and compiler must be
THE SAME PROGRAM
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:41:41; pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over
the sales period. For
the current fleet, we estimate
that a return
to compliance for all affected vehicles by
the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared
to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:38:08; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going
to do
the factory jobs. all
these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids
to prop up. not like
they have options OTHER
than immigration.
mircea_popescu: lol @
the "feminist anarchist" gargle. yay, Michelle Goldberg, you go roar girl.
pete_dushenski: baku will also host
the f1 european grand prix in 2016. first for 'stans' afaik.
trinque: jurov: yeah, I am going
to
try switching
to a foundation node.
jurov: from what i see from
the logs, foundation node rejects
them as nonstandard
trinque: well, we just need
to ship you
to
turkmenistan or w/e and solve it
trinque: this affects
the bot's ability
to verify
that
the
transaction went
through, and hence, its ability
to subsequently spend
that output
trinque: shinohai: nah just seems like for whatever reason,
the node I was connected
to started barfing orphans (maliciously? aws? who knows.)
mircea_popescu: "The question I have is why do we have
to learn about it
through guesswork, aren't miners
themselves interested in Bitcoin being a reliable payment system?" aka "why don't people in bitcoin give a shit about people on reddit/github/tardstalk"
jurov: well,
the question is, who *should* be
there. definitely qntra and
the foundation
pete_dushenski: that youtube would be so wetoddhad as
to pay derps posting random videos of anything 4x
that is frankly inconceivable
pete_dushenski: 1000 youtube videos currently costs <$1
to manufacture.
that's a fact.
pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up
to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning
the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything
this figure is from 2009.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: for reasons unclear eh ? how about "americans are poor and can't afford
to buy
their kids
toys, nor parent
them properly and engage
their kids' imaginations outside of showing
them iphone videos of all
the
things
they can't afford
to buy
their kids" ? sounds pretty straight-forward
pete_dushenski: " For reasons unclear
to most adult viewers,
these short clips in which anonymous presenters who show only
their hands unwrap
toys appear utterly mesmerising
to
their
tiny fans. "
pete_dushenski: "
The unboxing channel DisneyCollector recently became
the most watched YouTube show in
the United States, with, at more
than
two million subscribers,
the second largest viewership in
the world. "
ascii_field: (for same reason
that i was not able
to make
the flow graph)
ascii_field: and with
those visible in scope coming FIRST
ascii_field: along with anything reachable via
the #include's , and any and all language keywords,
ascii_field: as soon as i
type out a symbol, it ought
to be in
the completion list
ascii_field: for another
thing, i don't ever want
to have
to
think about
the 'tags'
ascii_field: for one
thing, i DON'T NEED a
thing
that fucks with my buffer layout!!
phf: there's a nice demo of Lucid xemacs based c++ environment
that does all kinds of dynamic
things. '95, since
then, much progress.
phf: ascii_field: i don't know about company mode, but builtin dabbrev-expand will pull from current buffer, other buffers or else
TAGS, so it sort of satisfies your request for "what i just
typed should be available". but your point stands,
this is not
to run
things
ascii_field: and
that what we have now makes
the same amount of sense as having a separate gas and brake pedal for each of 4 wheels in a car.
ascii_field: at
this point i fully believe
that editor and compiler must be
THE SAME PROGRAM
☟︎ phf: ascii_field: i mostly said it
to make you
twitch, since i know clang is out, and CEDET is a major pain in
the ass
to setup. i periodically go
through exercise every couple of years, and give up in disgust
phf: ascii_field: i believe if you want
to get company mode working with C++ you have
to muck around with either clang or CEDET
ascii_field: (if i can't define a symbol and have it IMMEDIATELY
typecompletable, it's shit)
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i believe
that
to be major-mode dependent. see 'backends'.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i was looking at 'company-mode'. where does it actually get
the
tags ?
pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over
the sales period. For
the current fleet, we estimate
that a return
to compliance for all affected vehicles by
the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared
to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: of course, it's mostly
the lower classes who will be out-competed for entry-level positions, much
to society's benefit.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going
to do
the factory jobs. all
these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids
to prop up. not like
they have options OTHER
than immigration.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:15:06; mircea_popescu: at some point
this'll have
to be systematized, ain't nobody got
time
to keep
track of all
the retarded arbitrary shit.
trinque: Is
the world—and
this
time most scandalously of all,
the international left—really going
to be complicit in letting history repeat itself? << bahahaha
this is so painfully self-aware
trinque: municipal assemblies, which he called ‘‘democracy without
the state.’’
These assemblies would form a grand confederation
that would extend across all Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq,
Turkey and Iran <<
the old-new
thing
BingoBoingo: "In Rojava’s
three Kurdish cantons,
together comprising an area about
the size of Connecticut, society is being organized according
to
the principles of an American anarchist-ecologist philosopher named Murray Bookchin. "