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mircea_popescu: you think that can be paid off on the backs of the five hundred old people with an actual need for it ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla that drug cost a 100 mn to create and 5 bn to market.
mircea_popescu: it's like the altchain of drugs, every fuckwit can cook it.
mircea_popescu: no, it's cheap. go to wherever the homeless gather where you live and ask.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, it is cheap. cheapest thing on the street.
mircea_popescu: because it's better to fuck willingly than to get fucked ?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your notion that stuff going through the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way : have you considered this is probably a major driver for the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in ten years nobody will exist with a copy of the blockchain anyway
mircea_popescu: and if it is, you can stuff bytes in altcoin block chain.
mircea_popescu: they won't KNOW it's you, they will however know it's none of the other schmucks.
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because it is probably feasible for the adversary to build a list of people and then cross names off
mircea_popescu: just finish each message with "next message in the form of lolcats"
mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from this to making "a meta-protective protocol" tho.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids this is a decent point, in that you'll both need to be on the same page.
mircea_popescu: well i have the converse problem : not sure how to make it clearer.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're trying to gain some destandardization back. already a step in the right direction, but why do it this windows style.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids my general point here being that once you yielded to the adversary the identification of the channel,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the q was to see if it's during or post delivery that the threat begins
mircea_popescu: fine, call in to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in the background.
mircea_popescu: so you are trying to talk to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you talking to them ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... i still dunno what you're trying to accomplish. talk to the entire world secretly ?
mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly the opposite of exceptional means.
mircea_popescu: by its very nature this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
mircea_popescu: i don't need an entire networking protocol to do that, tho.
mircea_popescu: so the nsa knows i talked to a hooker. fuck them, i can post pics on trilema just as well.
mircea_popescu: instead of starting from weird edge cases, which then result in insane implementations that protect things that in the end don't matter.
mircea_popescu: think about what's likely to happen irl, when designing.
mircea_popescu: and can't be traced to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine random joe q person is going to spend resources to go through messages that cost nothing to make up
mircea_popescu: tho it seems unlikely they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all the manuscripts they got
mircea_popescu: sure, the guardian may want to have a random info dead drop, and i guess they may even read it
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so fyck you then, why am i talking to you ?
mircea_popescu: jurov not in the same sense, is it ? nat is unnecessary overhead in the sense shoes are unnecessary overhead.
mircea_popescu: i'm saying that it is a design with massive overhead for dubious reasons.
mircea_popescu: the whole point of the bitcoin code was to prototype an idea, not to be used for srs.
mircea_popescu: hey dub, what if all internet traffic henceforth needed 4 tunnels built up per connection ?
mircea_popescu: just gpg the package and send it over. i definitely like fabian's cjdns much more
mircea_popescu: see, this is why i say it fails : the overhead imposed by all the sha(sha(sha(sha bs to keep metadata secret from downstream hops
mircea_popescu: In I2P, tunnels are unidirectional. Each party builds two tunnels, one for outbound and one for inbound traffic. Therefore, four tunnels are required for a single round-trip message and reply.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm just codgery and will find random things to bitch about
mircea_popescu: since i do more business than gossip... i'm not so impressed with onion and garlic and so on.
mircea_popescu: now, the security provided by ;;ident is necessary for business. the security provided by otr is necessary for gossip
mircea_popescu: cause if you didn't i'd guess it's possible the forging aditional messages may mean something even for your threat model :)
mircea_popescu: did you just tell me you're promising to pay 10 btc for a stuffed dollie five minutes ago ?
mircea_popescu: i'm by no means saying otr is bad or anything. i use it extensively for that matter
mircea_popescu: this is reflected in many implementations - you can generally find plaintext logs of old otr convos if you dig up your log dir.
mircea_popescu: basically, otr guarantees stuff for during a conversation. not really for after it closes.
mircea_popescu: "Anyone can forge messages after a conversation to make them look like they came from you. However, during a conversation, your correspondent is assured the messages he sees are authentic and unmodified."
mircea_popescu: it doesn't make the gpg guarantee that old conversations can never be read by third parties.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids otr makes exactly two guarantees : that only your intended recipient can read your next line, and that should someone obtain the plaintext of your communications they can't prove that it is in fact yours rather than theirs.
mircea_popescu: what, exactly ? so i feel like posting nudes one day. herpderp what, god forbid someone associates it ?
mircea_popescu: it's just this stupid thing everyone does because everyone's doing.
mircea_popescu: but i tell you... i am mp. i have always been mp. everyone else is fkghsgeiohgiurehg. to what gain and for what benefit ?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea if it does or doesn't and really can't be arsed to find out, cause what do i care.
mircea_popescu: don't use that term lol, it's a direct pastiche from romanian and in english it's a term of art with diff meaning.
mircea_popescu: someone they have in their wot should tell them this is prime rib of stupid. separate these.
mircea_popescu: except the kids doing stuff like onions, garlic and other vegetables.