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asciilifeform: srsly what part of this is hard to understand.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 10:16:31; punkman: sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 10:10:20; mircea_popescu: i thought the initial sync's being discussed.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351715 << even initial sync has vastly more reads than writes. thinkaboutit ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:35:36; punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351660 << ahahahaa i'm a laugh to death, we want a sql parser to grind every motherfucking time a tx is fetched ??!?!? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: it's an intro blob for 'mba' to read
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:31:41; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351654 << y'know, the janitor's schedule at ft meade is also classified. 'sources & methods' (tm) (r) ☝︎
asciilifeform: uk is just an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' for usg. like taiwan.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:26:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the difference to you!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351650 << this flowed predictably out of the post-ww2 bitchdom that gave us orwell's apt 'airstrip one' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << kinda funny, same thing petro-pipe-era (1970s+) su used to do to the west (funded 'activism!11111' against fission, etc) ☝︎
BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here has experience with laptop coolers that have fan pulling air out through CPU exhaust vent, considering one.
asciilifeform: (usg is happy to preside over the mothballing of perfectly-working su nuke plants, this is a very effective colonization instrument)
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:00:51; mircea_popescu: repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as a result return
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:27:45; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell linton_s_dawson http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351345 << not anyone afaik. theoretically speaking it wouldn't likely work too well yet - not enough resources on the pi to be a real node. nevertheless, as a didactic / research sort of project rather than something to go in production trying would be interesting, if for nothing else then because nobody;s tried it yet.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351575 << i tried it! on pi-1. not enough i/o bandwidth. but the problem with all 'pi' machines is rather different - it is the presence of a dedicated, always-on usg mysterymeat cpu core ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu get thee to an electronics shop and sneak a peek at the abomination. e.g., 'samsung s2 tablet' etc.
asciilifeform: because 'who wants to read text'
asciilifeform: it has dancing buzzing crud around the edges when your eyes move
asciilifeform: in the pentile shit, TEXT IS NOT BLACK
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:21:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351296 << aww, i guess it does huh. listen, i'm not saying you should be forced to use it. just... i happen to like old newsprint. and the scent of gasoline.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351572 << i ~also~ like old newsprint. but not simply from the moire pattern in the photos, but because TEXT WAS BLACK ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:17:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351282 << am i a bad person if i actually prefer the upper version ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351565 << bad picture. the effect is considerably less annoying in photos, and virtually invisible in a video - which is HOW THEY GOT AWAY with having SHARED blue pixels ☝︎
asciilifeform: and it boggles my mind that this was being considered, even in passing
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:10:52; ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351554 << i will take no part in anything involving java in whatever capacity. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: i don't ever want to see a task state segment again. and don't see why i oughta.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 06:51:07; phf: ;;later tell asciilifeform another minimal unix http://ulixos.org, this one is 31k loc of noweb. has threads and fs caching
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351490 << this is yet another 'school os' - it has x86 32-bit retardation heavily baked in. pretty useless for our cause imho. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:08:25; ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for. ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: what the fuck
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BingoBoingo: ^ Oh shit a Havelol made the main channel ticker
BingoBoingo: Which will also be their recruiting slogan
BingoBoingo: But they'll prolly unveil it as gender.me
BingoBoingo: prolly also saving up to afford a gendarmie
assbot: Logged on 23-12-2015 22:50:35; deedbot-: [Qntra] US DO"J" Stops Sharing Bounty Of Theft With Locals - http://qntra.net/2015/12/us-doj-stops-sharing-bounty-of-theft-with-locals/
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351377 << so the feds just wanna keep more of it to offset budget cuts? ☝︎
assbot: EU: Anti-circumvention duties for Chinese solar products shipped via Taiwan, Malaysia: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAufl )
assbot: EU trade case: 120 companies, associations to participate in MIP expiry review: pv-magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1YDAtYT )
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:06:33; mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351645 << stumbled across these centrally planned lulz the other day http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/eu-trade-case--120-companies--associations-to-participate-in-mip-expiry-review_100022550/ ☝︎
punkman: I'd guess UStards expect the default state of things to be microwave-safe, whereas other people expect "it will probably catch fire/melt/etc"
jurov: banknotes too ignite in microwave. better recall them!
jurov: thestringpuller: run the daemon in gdb. it really should not get killed via RPC.
ben_vulpes: bloody wacky thestringpuller
deedbot-: [Trilema] Tin Men - http://trilema.com/2015/tin-men/
thestringpuller: i'll try it on different machine :\
punkman: sqlite could work fine for the foreseeable future, main objection is that it comes with unneeeded complexity/kiloLOC ☟︎
punkman: even during sync, you can commit blocks to disk in batches, really cuts down on required fsyncs
ben_vulpes: i'm curious to know what data structures people who understand data structures would suggest for storage and indexing
mircea_popescu: i thought the initial sync's being discussed. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:40:34; mircea_popescu: punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351677 << do we have any measurements? if I had to guess I'd say there's a lot more reads than writes (after initial sync at least) ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Yeah, gotta do that. And change the password.
ben_vulpes: try setting them in the config file
thestringpuller: error: You must set rpcpassword=<password> in the configuration file:
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 07:40:49; mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/continut-platit-no-more/#comment-116065 << that beautyon fellow is giving occasion to a very satisfying convo.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351521 << good thread, maybe warrants a separate post ☝︎
thestringpuller: nope. i set all the flags on cli like in mircea_popescu 's example
punkman: thestringpuller: do you have a config file? might need to pass it along with getinfo
thestringpuller: which is different than error: couldn't connect to server
thestringpuller: but that happened before thing crashed
thestringpuller: db.log has one line >> 'unable to join the environment'
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: tail -f debug.log >> http://dpaste.com/1K1MMEC.txt
punkman: on second thought, probably not what you meant
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 09:13:27; ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351647 << gives this a look https://gist.github.com/extempore/b374fc9793643bb7563f ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:09:51; mircea_popescu: anyway. this is how bitcoin ended up with bdb i suspect. infinitydb might be an option. they all suck.
punkman: it's a term of art
mircea_popescu: punkman well that's maybe a point, but nevertheless it currently uses one, and it uses one mostly to update and insert ☟︎
ben_vulpes: lol but should it crash with those?
mircea_popescu: you don't need rpc u/p to get a getinfo
thestringpuller: it dropped out of top like instantly when I ran that command^
thestringpuller: okay so it ran, but doing an RPC call: `LC_ALL="C" ./bitcoind -rpcuser=leffuy -rpcpassword=moomooman getinfo` killed the daemon
mircea_popescu: many reads few writes is a particular usecase, not really what's at work in the cases discussed.
punkman: mircea_popescu: the largest one had compressed web pages and metadata, but pretty much anything that doesn't need a db server
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 04:58:44; mircea_popescu: You can then run this with something like LC_ALL=C nohup ./bitcoind -myip=<yourip> -addnode=trusted_node_1 -addnode=trusted_node_2 -verifyall 2>&1 &
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350147 << seen that ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you must set your ip, the binary has no way of knowing.
thestringpuller: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): You must set myip=<ipaddress> on the command line or in the configuration file:
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:05:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351253 << in fairness, sqlite works for all usecases that aren't this. or that. or in general.
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351542 << I've worked with some fairly large sqlite dbs, obviously if you are doing a full table scan on 500gb of data, it's not gonna be fast, but it motherfucking works. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's at least fifty billion "market research" houses more than happy to provide one with this crap.
thestringpuller: anywhere else they could be hiding?
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/068FQ43.txt << seriously, these derps classified as secret/foia extempt some derp-ass $50-a-pop market research crapolade that's ~maybe~ one step above a wikipedia cull ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: at any rate, "nsa laundered the vulnerabilities it planted in juniper firewalls through an offshore platform". britain, panama, whatever pacific island, what the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351462 << BECAUSE, importantly, the only remaining function of the british colony, its only significant export and sole raison d'etre left is exactly this playing the extraterritorial base for the USG role. you know, obama is not spying on you, the queen is (and sharing the results). we hope this legalistic subtlety makes all the difference to you! ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the oh-so-precious "alternative means solar, wind and any other inefficiency" lobby can push it's "the only energy source that works doesn't work - buy our shit" narrative. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: " And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes “Ka-boom!” and everyone's hair falls out." << yes, except for the cynical west that actually wouldn't mind a few more nuclear "accidents". so what if they were fully preventable, deliberately man-made disasters ? at least
mircea_popescu: if you don't keep the pipes above 0, they freeze. if they freeze they split. if they split you can't keep the [mostly concrete prefab] dwellings livable, not now, not ever.
mircea_popescu: repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet." <<< this much is exactly factual, as romania is well aware since its very difficult early 90s. as far as temperate habitation is concerned, you have strictly to options : either produce enough energy to keep the heating pipes unfrozen through the winter, or else lose the possibility of urban settlement and as a result return to 1800ish (the wor ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to